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    Great oral only cycle.

    My nephew was begging me to draw out a cycle for him and he refuses to use pins, so i knew he would do it with or with out my help so i drew him out this cycle and he followed it to the letter. His Liver values are normal on Week 12 when he had blood work done. Also he went from 198 to 210 and he looks very nice, no water at all, nice thick juicy green veins, i am totally impressed.! Also no Alcohol was used for the entire cycle (By the way he used Paper Juice)[I think with 14 weeks of Primo @ 700MG EW and 14 weeks of Clen @ 80MCG'S and adjusting all the other PCT goodies you are looking at an ultimate cutting cycle seeing how this cycle worked.]

    Week 1-8 T-Bol 70MG ED 
    Week 1-8 Var 70MG ED
    Week 1-8  Clen 80MCG ED
    Week 1,3,5,8 Benadryl 100MG EO³W
    Week 1-12 Liv52 1280MG ED
    Week 1-8 Proviron 25mg ED
    Week 1-12 Tribuplex 750 2G ED
    Week 1-12 Tribex 1500 MG
    Week 1-12 B-Complex ED
    Week 1-12 Taurine 2000MG ED
    Week 9-12  Clomid 100MG ED
    LFT test results (Liver Function Test)
    ALB was normal
    AP was slightly elevated Before was 42 After was 82 (Normal Range is 35-115 IU/L)
    GGT was normal
    AST was slightly elevated Before was 2 After was 26 (Normal Range is 0-42 IU/L)
    TBIL was normal

    And for the critics who say you should never stack two 17's, well Var works best when used with a ClassII steroid.
    • Reference Article •
    Unlike most oral steroids , which are Class II steroids giving most of their anabolic effect by means other than the androgen receptor (AR), it seems that oxandrolone probably does have good binding to the AR, and is therefore a Class I steroid , while having little other effect. By itself it is considered to be a weak anabolic.
    Partly this is due to its apparent lack of non-AR-mediated activity. This can be corrected of course by stacking with a Class II steroid such as Dianabol , Anadrol ®, 4-AD, or nor-4-AD: the latter two steroids require high blood levels which are not obtained by oral use of the powders.
    The other part of the reason for this is that bodybuilders make unfortunate and unreasonable comparisons when judging anabolic steroids . If say 8 tablets per day does little, then the drug is pronounced useless or weak by the user. But that is only 20 mg/day, or 140 mg/week. Does 140 mg/week testosterone give much results? No. Few anabolic steroids give dramatic results at that dose. Per milligram the potency is reasonable, but each individual tablet is weak because the dosage is small.
    Because of its high price, very few bodybuilders have taken large doses of oxandrolone. There is a single case in the medical literature (Forbes et al.) where it is reported that a competitive athlete self-administered 150 mg oxandrolone per day with remarkable gains. This is of uncertain credibility because unless urinalysis was done to verify that no other steroids were taken, there is no way to be certain that the athlete did not actually take more drugs than he reported. In any case, at current prices, only the quite wealthy could afford such a dose. I personally have tried 150 mg/day and considered it somewhat effective, but not dramatically so, and not a preferred regimen.
    Oxandrolone does not aromatize or convert to DHT, and has a longer half life than Dianabol - 8 hours vs. 4 hours. Thus, a moderate dose taken in the morning is largely out of the system by night, yet supplies reasonable levels of androgen during the day and early evening.
    Oxandrolone shares the liver toxicity problems common to 17-alkylated steroids. At one time it was thought that it did not, but both clinical and practical experience with Oxandrin has shown that at doses of 40 mg/day and higher, liver toxicity is indeed an issue with prolonged use.
    Primobolan , I believe, should be considered a superior compound, offering the same activity at (usually) a lower price and without the alkylated-toxicity issue.
    Referenced By Bill Roberts

    Last edited by PrimoPup; 06-21-2005 at 07:09 AM. Reason: added the LFT results

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    Testo^ is offline Associate Member
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    He must have the healtiest liver ever to survive that..

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