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    Nolvadex NOT Clomid during PCT?

    Today I have read that Nolvadex mg for mg is more efficient than Clomid at raising natural testosterone levels . This underminds every bit of research I have ever done into PCT, as I believed Clomid was an essential ingredient.

    Has any one ever used ONLY Nolvadex during PCT and not included Clomid? How did your body recover? Keep gains etc...?

    Also anyone swear by only using Nolvadex during PCT?

    This may help:

    nolvadex vs armidex

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    I've done my PCT both ways, clomid+ nolva and nolva alone. My nuts came back much faster when I had the clomid in the mix! With the nolva only they came back much slower and I had to toss an ass of tribulus in with it to get them back to normal. This boy will get some HCG before the next run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benches505
    I've done my PCT both ways, clomid+ nolva and nolva alone. My nuts came back much faster when I had the clomid in the mix! With the nolva only they came back much slower and I had to toss an ass of tribulus in with it to get them back to normal. This boy will get some HCG before the next run!
    Ok, brilliant.

    This is exactly what I am after.

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    bump for more answers

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    nolva and A-dex throughout cycle......HCG halfway through cycle ending one week before PCT and nolva/A-dex and clomid for PCT......my nutz love me

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    Quote Originally Posted by yikes!!
    nolva and A-dex throughout cycle......HCG halfway through cycle ending one week before PCT and nolva/A-dex and clomid for PCT......my nutz love me
    real close to what I do... Why fix what is not broken??? but surely someone will come on here saying it is better to use only nolva

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    Its better to use nolva only.































    If you like raisins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Its better to use nolva only.
    I called it... j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
    real close to what I do... Why fix what is not broken??? but surely someone will come on here saying it is better to use only nolva
    Someone like Hooker.

    If you read both profiles (by Hooker) on 'Nolvadex ' and 'Clomid' its more benificial to use only Nolvadex during PCT. I also asked his advice and he again stated this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto
    Someone like Hooker.

    If you read both profiles (by Hooker) on 'Nolvadex' and 'Clomid' its more benificial to use only Nolvadex during PCT. I also asked his advice and he again stated this.
    I believe he may state that due to personal reasons. I think he experiences vision problems while using clomid.

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    I know people run only nolva for pct (40mg/ed?) because it's just as good and the clomid sides are greater.. If this is correct I wouldn't chance on clomid (starting my first cycle very soon) since many people break out on clomid.

    Benches505; are you sure the test level didn't come back before the nuts did? (I just read about some guy who claimed his test level was normal but his nuts were still small).

    Will clomid AND nolva together be more effective?

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    [QUOTE=ace ventura]If this is correct I wouldn't chance on clomid (starting my first cycle very soon) since many people break out on clomid.
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    what do you mean break out?

    also is it true that some ppl experiance a second pang of growth in their pct?

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    BDTR used Nolva only once and lost all his gains.....Clomid is a must

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    He means get acne. I think fluctuating hormone levels will contribute more to acne than clomid. Remember the time you start clomid is the beginning of PCT when your hormone levels (test to estrogen ratios) are way out of wack. That's one of the leading causes of acne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JdFlex
    He means get acne. I think fluctuating hormone levels will contribute more to acne than clomid. Remember the time you start clomid is the beginning of PCT when your hormone levels (test to estrogen ratios) are way out of wack. That's one of the leading causes of acne.
    Yeah, thats true.. Though I have seen some people claim upping the dose of nolva can prevent some sides from clomid (moodswings and acne).

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    thank you. i see. surely minor acne is better than losing all gains!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pump_30
    BDTR used Nolva only once and lost all his gains.....Clomid is a must
    Not to call bull shit but how can you loose gains if you never come off?(I use clomid by the way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    I notice more acne with clomid vs nolva. Nolva doesnt give the pms mood swings either.
    Johan's a vet?! Congrats bro!

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    Ive used both and they both work well.

    Clomid works about a week faster for me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
    Not to call bull shit but how can you loose gains if you never come off?
    Maybe he went from 8,957lbs to 8,956lbs? His squat dropped from 10K tons to 9K, I heard....

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    wow good info. i ordered some Clomid today from ARR. im so glad they're around. i did a superdrol cycle which ended 2 weeks ago and already lost 3 lbs @_@ gained 17 in total. NOooOoOoO! :-p hope Clomid helps to put this to an end.

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    i can't take clomid, i took it for 14 days at 50mg/day and got extremely blind, never take it again!

    next cycle i'm gonna run HCG from week 4-12 and week 13-14-15: nolva 40mg lowering to 30mg + tribilus 2800mg/day

    think this will be wise?

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    I you serious, you could't see at all?

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    look dude, if i had to rate my vision from day 1 to 14 it went down 10% every two-3 days, after 10 tabs i couldn't come on AR anymore, couldn't read my mails, couldn't watch TV cause alle went blurry, then i lowered the dose to 25mg cause i had to get the nuts back but it went wurse, i got headaches from the blurred vision and god really moody and sissy also.

    so for me **** Clomid , I'll never use it again

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    in a normal pct, what dosage u guys recommend of NOlvadex and of clomid.

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    Ive researched alot abot nolva and clomid, There is one thing I CAN NOT understand!! Clomid helps your HPTA by blocking the receptors without activating them like estrogen will. And Its also known that nolvadex is better at binding to these receptors, why in the name of godallmighty would clomid be better to grow your nuts back (witch obviously is (after reading many threds))


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