What cycle would be better

Which cycle would be better?
Is there really a difference between the two?
I'm 5'8 141 lbs 28yrs old Hardgainer/Ectomorph


WEEK 1-- Dbol 40mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 2-- Dbol 40mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 3-- Dbol 40mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 4-- Dbol 40mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 5 ------------------ sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 6 ------------------ sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 7 Winny 50mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 8- Winny 50mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 9- Winny 50mg ED
WEEK10- Winny 50mg ED

Wait 3 days then do clomid
1st day 300mg
10 days 100mg
10 days 50mg




WEEK 1-- Dbol 30mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 2-- Dbol 30mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 3-- Dbol 30mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 4-- Dbol 30mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 5 ------------------ sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 6 ------------------ sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 7 ------------------ sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 8- Winny 50mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK 9- Winny 50mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK10- Winny 50mg ED sust 500mg EQ 400mg
WEEK11- Winny 50mg ED
WEEK12- Winny 50mg ED

Clomid - take 3 days after winny
300mg day 1
100mg day 2-11
50 mg day 12-21

i like #2 more.....
why are you waiting 3 days after the last winstrol to start clomid....start it sooner

i like the second one. only run the winny week 9-13. then start clomid therapy. the long acting esters in sus and eq requires you wait three weeks after last administration to start clomid therapy.

IMO...All those drugs aren't necessary for a first cycle. I ran a sust/eq cycle for my virgin. And I gained 15 lbs in 6 days. Bullshit to those who say it doesn't kick in till 3-4 weeks in. YES....I know it was alllll water. But that is what dbol is going to do to you. My advice to you is a straight up Sust/EQ at the doses you got...for 8 weeks, wait 3 weeks, and then hit up some clomid. I see you have definately done your research, and that is what I like to see. Someone who actually has a clue with what they are doing. Nice use of fast/slow esters...but not necessary for a rook. Trust me man, I gained 33 in 7 weeks off just those two. Who's saying you can't do better than me?

What brands do you have?

BTW...eat 2 g of protein per lb(OF WHAT WEIGHT YOU WANT TO BE WHEN YOU ARE DONE)..and using the macronutrient ratio of 45/35/20...carbs protein and fat, eat about 3000 cals or so. I know everyones different, but it worked for me bro.

If you have any questions on diet and workout, go to those perspective forums, and someone will gladly assist you .
TTFN

I've done some sus last year and some other test but not at same time. Got up to 172 but lost it all. I really dont want to get to much water weight. Thats why i threw in the Winstrol at the end.

I thought 3 days after winny is when you are suppose to start clomid.

And with the 2nd cycle if I run it how I have it, It would be 2 1/2 weeks after my last sus/eq shot when I start the Clomid therapy. Isn't this good enough?

I guess I could do with out the D-bol, really dont need the water weight even though i will get some from the sus. But i am not sure yet about the dbol. I'll be taking armidex.

I'm kind of surprised some of yous said to drop dbol.

My goal is to get to about 180-190 hard and ripped.... One day.

Thanx so far for all the responses.

Take 0.25-0.5 mg of arimidex everyday with cycle #2 minus the dbol. That is going to be an awesome cycle!!!