Thread: d bol oral t or var for strength
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06-26-2005, 12:49 PM #1
d bol oral t or var for strength
second cycle, 37 yrs, 200 lbs, advanced training, clean diet.
which oral would be better suited for strength? d bol is obvious but the sides; bloat, estrogen, water retention, puffy muscles i can live without.
will one of the others give similar strength gains or should i just wait for the test to kick in? advice is much appreciated from those who've tried.
wks 1-12 125 mgs sust 250 eod
wks 1-10 75 mgs tren a eod
wks 5-10 25 mcgs t-3 ed
wks 14-15 pct clomid 300/100/50
nolva, milk thistle, b-6 on hand.
if the answer is d bol, i'll probably pass. thanks bros.
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06-26-2005, 01:12 PM #2
i would personally go with the var, less toxic on the liver and no bloat... and from what i hear its real good for strengh gains, i would go no lower than 40mgs/ed though
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06-26-2005, 01:18 PM #3
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06-26-2005, 01:31 PM #4
i would do 60mg ED for the last 8wks... var is incredible for hardening ur muscles
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06-26-2005, 01:40 PM #5Originally Posted by inevitable
what i'm trying to do tho is kick my strength up a notch in the first 4 wks.
once the test kicks in its lights out, but will var or any oral other than d bol help with strength gains in wks 1-4?
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06-26-2005, 01:42 PM #6
i would say pass on the oral, the tren will kick in pretty quickly. I would shoot tren ed too just to reduce side effects and keep stable blood levels
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06-26-2005, 01:51 PM #7Originally Posted by longhorn814
all the orals are expensive as hell anyway. thanks bro, hell while i'm at it i might just shoot the sust ed as well........?
my 1st time with tren a. how important is shooting ed? some on this board shoot eod.
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06-26-2005, 02:39 PM #8
ed=less sides, eod is effective though i would say go with ed injections and alternate injection sites regularly, glutes, quads, delts etc...
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06-26-2005, 02:53 PM #9Originally Posted by justin2305
i swear this damn forum will have you changing your cycle plans 2-3 times a week!
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06-26-2005, 02:58 PM #10Originally Posted by justin2305
23 g 1 1/2" pin.
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06-26-2005, 03:04 PM #11
i wouldnt recommend shooting glutes ed for 12 weeks or you will end up with major scar tissue. You need to rotate sites, i shoot glutes, delts, tris, and quads. The sust will most likely hurt too so youre really going to need to rotate sites too. Get some 25 g 1" needles. You comment about higher blood concentration levels puzzles me too????
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06-26-2005, 03:20 PM #12
[QUOTE=longhorn814]
You need to rotate sites
25 g 1" pins
You comment about higher blood concentration levels puzzles me too????
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is scar tissue really that big a deal that you need to rotate for only a 12 wk cycle?
25 g pins are very hard for me to inject and they hurt more for some reason, and 1" forget about it, my ass is too fat.
its a published medical fact that glute injections provide the highest level of a.a.s. in the blood the quickest followed by quads then delts.
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06-26-2005, 03:24 PM #13Banned
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06-26-2005, 03:27 PM #14
have u ever even used tren mr know it all, just curious
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06-26-2005, 03:28 PM #15Originally Posted by Mr. Know it all
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06-26-2005, 03:29 PM #16Banned
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sure
no I think Tren is a great compound. I was only kidding...Just adding that for your goals, I think Var would suffice, without any complications.
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06-26-2005, 03:35 PM #17
def. go with var 60mg ed for the last 7 or 8 wks, i get great vascularity and hardness when running it.
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06-26-2005, 03:44 PM #18Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
i think longhorn made a good point that with tren a i wouldn't need an oral to help with strength gains.
as for hardness towards the end, i would probably try oral t instead. var is very expensive to be a mild oral.
thanks for the feedback tho BlInD!
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06-26-2005, 03:49 PM #19Banned
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Originally Posted by TRICK
And about oral-T, it doesn't even come CLOSE to VAR in terms of muscle hardness. I have tried both, at equal dosages and HIGER.
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06-26-2005, 03:54 PM #20Originally Posted by TRICK
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06-26-2005, 03:56 PM #21Originally Posted by Mr. Know it all
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06-26-2005, 03:58 PM #22Originally Posted by KINGKONG
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06-26-2005, 04:00 PM #23Banned
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Themind
Originally Posted by KINGKONG
10-4...Ross speaking...
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06-26-2005, 04:04 PM #24Originally Posted by Mr. Know it all
i know where you stand so there is no need for you to post in this thread again, thanks.
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06-26-2005, 04:06 PM #25Banned
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Trick
My bad bro....
We go back...i was simply offering some advices..
By the way...I still say run the VAR!
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06-26-2005, 04:06 PM #26Originally Posted by Mr. Know it all
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06-26-2005, 04:09 PM #27Originally Posted by TRICK
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06-26-2005, 04:15 PM #28Originally Posted by KINGKONG
maybe i'll go with var on the back end? oral t or andriol be the same? or winny for the sake of hardness.
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06-26-2005, 04:17 PM #29Banned
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Well
If price is an issue--go with winny. BUT var takes the cake all day every day.
Sorry, just helping a brother.
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06-26-2005, 04:21 PM #30Originally Posted by Mr. Know it all
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06-26-2005, 04:33 PM #31Originally Posted by TRICK
Let me ask you this?What do you have on hand??I'll try to give you my opinion on the best cycle for the money...Sorry if Iam repeating questions already asked..I need to read the whole thread...Check your Pm's
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06-26-2005, 04:36 PM #32
this is your second cycle, you'll get great gains from sust and tren . No need to add more compounds, more isnt always better
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06-26-2005, 04:38 PM #33Originally Posted by longhorn814
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06-26-2005, 04:39 PM #34
But I agree more compounds isn't always better it just depends on what they are and how synergistic they run together...
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06-26-2005, 04:49 PM #35Originally Posted by KINGKONG
i choose sust because i previously didn't have any problems with bloat, puffiness, acne or gyno. i was very happy with it cept the price, but i'll pay the little extra cuz i don't really want to start dickin around with test e and all the sides.
the eod inj's suck but its a very "clean" test as far as i'm concerned. put it with tren and you have a very nice stack that won't aromatize as easily as say deca , d bol, test e.
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06-26-2005, 06:42 PM #36Originally Posted by TRICK
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06-26-2005, 06:45 PM #37Originally Posted by TRICK
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06-26-2005, 06:55 PM #38Originally Posted by KINGKONG
how long did you run it? total inj sites?
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06-26-2005, 08:23 PM #39Originally Posted by TRICK
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