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    staying on too long

    how long can a person stay on without the body adapting to a compound.

    gonna run:
    test cyp 600/wk
    tren -a 100 eod (no more than 6-8 wks)
    winny 100 eod (for the last 4 or so weeks at the end)
    Anavar 40 ed

    whats the longest i can run these compound? I know the standard 10-12 wk cycle/dosages, but wanted a longer ALL OUT cycle. BUT i dont want to kill myself!!! If I do run a longer cycle Im gonna need some help for the pct(supps & dosages)
    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!

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    Is this your first cycle?

    BTW with winny @ 100mg/day kiss your joints goodbye.

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    how much longer are you talking about, like double it?

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    this is my sixth cycle. wanted to stay on for around 20 wks

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    will the test not help lub my joints? ran winny for six wks @50 eod for 4 and 100 for the last two

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    what would be the proper pct for a heavy cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by whittm1
    will the test not help lub my joints? ran winny for six wks @50 eod for 4 and 100 for the last two
    No, you are thinking of Deca . Test will not lub your joints.

    If you have experience with running winny at 100mg/day then you should know what your body can handle, personally my elbows and shoulders ache just thinking of that.

    How much longer were you thinking of running the cycle?

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    want to run it for at about 20+ wks

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    Any suggestions????

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    i've been on since Feb. with only a 5 weeks bridge (HCG +Clomid).

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    PCT wise, I would suggest the following:

    HCG 250-500iu's EOD: weeks 5-7, 11-13, and 17-19
    Clomid 100mg's ED : weeks 20-24
    Nolvadex 20-40mg's ED: weeks 20-24

    By adding the HCG in during cycle you would prevent any severe testicular atrophying from ocouring, which will definately help you during PCT. Those clomid/nolvadex dosages will definately bring you online. I think it would be safe to say that the boys would be back in town.

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    week 1-12 Test Cyp. 500 mg/week
    week 1-5 D-bol 40 mg/day
    week 1-8 Deca 400 mg/week
    week 13-17 HCG +Clomid+Clen .
    week 18-30 TesT E 750 mg/week
    week 18-28 Deca 500 mg/week
    week 19-23 D-bol 20 mg/week
    week 25-30 Winstrol 50 mg/day
    week 31-34 HCG+Clomid+Clen.
    Nolvadex daily 10-20 mg (depends on which part of the cycle)
    currently @ week 24, gains are pretty good. almost 30 lbs. fat is about 12%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defconx3
    PCT wise, I would suggest the following:

    HCG 250-500iu's EOD: weeks 5-7, 11-13, and 17-19
    Clomid 100mg's ED : weeks 20-24
    Nolvadex 20-40mg's ED: weeks 20-24

    By adding the HCG in during cycle you would prevent any severe testicular atrophying from ocouring, which will definately help you during PCT. Those clomid/nolvadex dosages will definately bring you online. I think it would be safe to say that the boys would be back in town.
    HCG @ 500 IU EOD is kind of worthless, it should be 2500 IU every 4th-5th day. cause HCG kicks in twice, 4-6 hours after the shot (minor) and kick in again @ the 4th day (major).

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    Thanks def. The pct is what worried me the most. One more thing, should i keep the dosages consistant or up'em at a certin point??

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    hi, ive never done a cycle. but just out of curiousity, what would happen if i did the exact cycle as the guy above me? im 175 5'11 12%bf. not that i would ever do a cycle until im 23, but would be interesting to know how much one would blow up off a cycle like that!

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    i'd rather up'em up after bridging into the 2nd phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdogc
    hi, ive never done a cycle. but just out of curiousity, what would happen if i did the exact cycle as the guy above me? im 175 5'11 12%bf. not that i would ever do a cycle until im 23, but would be interesting to know how much one would blow up off a cycle like that!
    wt guy above u?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays
    HCG @ 500 IU EOD is kind of worthless, it should be 2500 IU every 4th-5th day. cause HCG kicks in twice, 4-6 hours after the shot (minor) and kick in again @ the 4th day (major).
    I disagree, I you can totally feel hcg @ 500IU IMO. I guess its a matter of preference. The only thing about 2500IU's is that I would be worried about LH desensitization, though you would be fine doing it only 2 wks at a time.

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    smoke that cycle is exactly what im looking for. sounds like fun whats ur experiance with ur gains keep after somthin like that

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    20wks no worries bro

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    if someone that is 175 did a 24 week cycle for the first time in their life, similar to the one you have drawn up, what would happen? im sure you could die and have all types of illness, but would you gain like insane amounts of muscle mass from that or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defconx3
    I disagree, I you can totally feel hcg @ 500IU IMO. I guess its a matter of preference. The only thing about 2500IU's is that I would be worried about LH desensitization, though you would be fine doing it only 2 wks at a time.
    well, u shouldn't stay on HCG more than 21 days anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays
    well, u shouldn't stay on HCG more than 21 days anyhow.
    Yup, thats what I was saying too.

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    gains are:
    weight: almost 30 lbs. mostly lean
    120 lbs chest, 170 lbs. dead lift, 150 squat, 55 lbs. standing curls.
    2 inch arms 17.5-19.5
    1 inch forearm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdogc
    if someone that is 175 did a 24 week cycle for the first time in their life, similar to the one you have drawn up, what would happen? im sure you could die and have all types of illness, but would you gain like insane amounts of muscle mass from that or what?
    First of all, at 175, you do not need steroids , unless you are somewhat short (under say, 5'7"). With correct diet/training you will be able to gain mass WITHOUT steroids.

    To do that for a first cycle would be ridiculous, the perpose of starting off slow with one or two compounds is to learn how your body responds to certain hormones. That would be simply stupid.

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    120lbs on chest!!!!!!!!!!!! u talkin about bench strength? Amazzzing

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    from 285 lbs- to 405 lbs (clean 4 rips)

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    u sayin i could jump from 375 to 450+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defconx3
    First of all, at 175, you do not need steroids , unless you are somewhat short (under say, 5'7"). With correct diet/training you will be able to gain mass WITHOUT steroids.

    To do that for a first cycle would be ridiculous, the perpose of starting off slow with one or two compounds is to learn how your body responds to certain hormones. That would be simply stupid.
    yes i know not to do steroids, im 18, i would wait until im 23 and at least 200 before i considered something. but i really just wanted to know what would happen if someone did a 24 week 5+compound as their first cycle, would they gain like 50 pounds of muscle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whittm1
    u sayin i could jump from 375 to 450+
    i didn't say that, i said wt happened with me bro. remeber that differs alot.
    diet, natural strength, joint support...etc makes wide differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdogc
    yes i know not to do steroids, im 18, i would wait until im 23 and at least 200 before i considered something. but i really just wanted to know what would happen if someone did a 24 week 5+compound as their first cycle, would they gain like 50 pounds of muscle?
    it's possible

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    one could only hope. whats ur stats smoke?

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    24 years old, 6", 228 lbs, about 11-13% BF

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    did ur diet change when doin that heavy cycle? more protein?, more carbs?, more everything? or did u still keep it heavy but clean??

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    sounds like some solid stats

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    i go with a formula depends on my body weight gains + the cycle strength and purpose.
    for every pound i gained, i added almost 4 grams of protien
    from 300 grams, now at 400+

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    more fatty acids (salmon, peanut butter, olive oil). Carbs not that much ranged between 250 g to 350 g a day.

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    did that mainly come from egg and animal protein or did u consume alot shakes as well

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    first phase :
    15 egg white, 3 kinds of meat for 3 meals (steak, fish, chicken), a lot of peanut butter, wheat bread, rice, vegies, 50 g proeitn comes from shakes.
    second phase:
    24 egg, 3 kinds of meat for 3 meals, peanut butter, wheat bread, rice, vegies, 100 g protein from shakes.

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    I appreciate all the advice!!! Ill keep yall posted on all my gains

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