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    Question How often do I inject sustanon?

    1) How often do I inject sustanon P/W?

    2) Would nolva (10mg) need to be use simultaniously?

    Ill be using -

    Sustanon 500mg P/W 1-10
    D-bol 30mg P/D 1-4
    Nolva when required
    Clomid PCT

    Thanks

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    Can I get away with once per week? Thanks

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    most people would say its best to shoot it eod to make full use of the prop in it. but u can get away with 2 times a week. u can run the nolva with it to prevent and gyno from starting. but u dont have to run it.

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    1) sus if youre doing 500mg/wk either EOD or 2 a week

    2)yes

    3) nolva is required personally, clomid and nolva in PCT
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    what does eod mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bulk
    what does eod mean?
    every other day

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    Is 10mg nolva enough a day for most when looking at this cycle? My nolva costs alot, thats the only bummer.

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    yes, but some people need a little more than others.
    Did you check out our sponsor for the liquid nolva, it's a pretty good price.

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    10mg ed is enough but u might wanna bump it up during pct.

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    oh

    Im on my first cycle of steroids and im doin deca ,sus and d/bol.
    im hav 400 tabs of d/bol which i build up and down over 8 weeks.
    I have 10 x 1ml deca and 10 x 1ml sus.
    i inject deca on the first day then 3 days later i inject sus and i keep doin this.

    IVE BEEN ON THE CYCLE FOR ABOUT 5 WEEKS AND IVE HAD ALOT OF GAIN IN SIZE AND STRENGTH. any comments on this cycle on wether im goin about this the right way

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    No havent done yet, is that the tax... or something

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    yeah stop the dbol you should only run it for 4 weeks not 8.
    how many mg's of deca are you using in one week?
    post your cycle, but I suggest in a different thread since this is the other bro's thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bulk
    oh

    Im on my first cycle of steroids and im doin deca ,sus and d/bol.
    im hav 400 tabs of d/bol which i build up and down over 8 weeks.
    I have 10 x 1ml deca and 10 x 1ml sus.
    i inject deca on the first day then 3 days later i inject sus and i keep doin this.

    IVE BEEN ON THE CYCLE FOR ABOUT 5 WEEKS AND IVE HAD ALOT OF GAIN IN SIZE AND STRENGTH. any comments on this cycle on wether im goin about this the right way
    How about your own post, thanks bro

    Thanks for the help so far guys, looking forward to starting my cycle,

    Any one know if needles and syringes can be bought from your pharmacies without question?, (uk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bulk
    oh

    Im on my first cycle of steroids and im doin deca ,sus and d/bol.
    im hav 400 tabs of d/bol which i build up and down over 8 weeks.
    I have 10 x 1ml deca and 10 x 1ml sus.
    i inject deca on the first day then 3 days later i inject sus and i keep doin this.

    IVE BEEN ON THE CYCLE FOR ABOUT 5 WEEKS AND IVE HAD ALOT OF GAIN IN SIZE AND STRENGTH. any comments on this cycle on wether im goin about this the right way
    hijacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by burning
    No havent done yet, is that the tax... or something
    yes it's tamox

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucabratzi
    hijacked
    lol

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    Gunna have a look for the tamox, any idea roughly how many nolva 20 mgs there are to a bottle? thanks

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    i dont think the bro minds. IF U DO IM SORRY BRO im new to this so i dont hav a clue how to post LOL.

    SO I SHOULD HAV TOOK 400 TABS OF D/BOL OVER 4 WEEKS UR SAYIN.
    IM USING 2 ML OF DECA AND 1 ML OF SUS EVERY WEEK. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY ML IS MG'S

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    Quote Originally Posted by burning
    Gunna have a look for the tamox, any idea roughly how many nolva 20 mgs there are to a bottle? thanks
    one bottle is enough bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bulk
    i dont think the bro minds. IF U DO IM SORRY BRO im new to this so i dont hav a clue how to post LOL.

    SO I SHOULD HAV TOOK 400 TABS OF D/BOL OVER 4 WEEKS UR SAYIN.
    IM USING 2 ML OF DECA AND 1 ML OF SUS EVERY WEEK. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY ML IS MG'S
    I think he does

    Quote Originally Posted by burning
    How about your own post, thanks bro

    Thanks for the help so far guys, looking forward to starting my cycle,

    Any one know if needles and syringes can be bought from your pharmacies without question?, (uk)

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    does tamox need to be injected then?

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    what you do is you go into the main steroid forum and click on "NEW TREAD" then start it there

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    Sorry Bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by burning
    does tamox need to be injected then?
    nope, it's an oral syringe

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    lol,

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    nice one, one less prick to worry about, the tamox that is, guess that sums it up, thanks a ton every one

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    No problem bro, btw remember to use clomid AND Nolva durring PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejuiceisloose
    No problem bro, btw remember to use clomid AND Nolva durring PCT.

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    Will do m8,

    I guess I can run nolva the day I fininish the sust and the clomid two weeks after the sust ?

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    run the nolva all the way through, the clomid with the nolva durring PCT.

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    and start pct 18 days after last sus injection

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    I don`t by the eod thing for sust.

    Here`s the reason:

    Sure the prop will leave your system really fast, but when the prop leaves the second fastest esther will kick in. When this fades out the next one will kick in and so on.
    This is probablt why out of the 250 mgs only 30 mg is prop. It`s just to give you some instant action while waiting for the other types to get going.
    By shooting eod you`ll be shooting 250 mg on top of the 220 mgs that haven`t even had time to get started (if you shoot a full amp every time that is). Then you`ll be shooting 250 on top of 220 and about 150 mg left from the first one (a bit messy, but this is the third injection of the first week).

    Isn`t the whole point of sust to give you a substance that has a MIX of fast and slow testo thus making it OK to inject once a week? If not, then the whole product is just useless `cus if you have to shoot it eod you might as well just use prop and not get all that overlapping.

    I know I`m not the most experienced one, but doesn`t this make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Viking
    I don`t by the eod thing for sust.

    Here`s the reason:

    Sure the prop will leave your system really fast, but when the prop leaves the second fastest esther will kick in. When this fades out the next one will kick in and so on.
    This is probablt why out of the 250 mgs only 30 mg is prop. It`s just to give you some instant action while waiting for the other types to get going.
    By shooting eod you`ll be shooting 250 mg on top of the 220 mgs that haven`t even had time to get started (if you shoot a full amp every time that is). Then you`ll be shooting 250 on top of 220 and about 150 mg left from the first one (a bit messy, but this is the third injection of the first week).

    Isn`t the whole point of sust to give you a substance that has a MIX of fast and slow testo thus making it OK to inject once a week? If not, then the whole product is just useless `cus if you have to shoot it eod you might as well just use prop and not get all that overlapping.

    I know I`m not the most experienced one, but doesn`t this make sense?
    you dont have to buy into the eod theory cause its supposed to be shopt everyday for stable blood levels.. here is a chart for you to read..


    A new look into doing sustanon by Basskiller - GREAT READ

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
    By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


    On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
    So to shoot
    200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
    150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
    100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


    Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
    basskiller

    days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
    1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
    2 ..............200 .......................351
    3 ..............200 .......................487
    4 ..............150 .......................555
    5 ..............150 .......................612
    6 ..............100 .......................613
    7 ..............100 .......................614
    Week 2
    8 ..............100 .......................615
    9 ..............100 .......................616
    10.............100 .......................616
    11.............100 .......................617
    12.............100 .......................617
    13.............100 .......................617
    14.............100 .......................618
    Week 3
    15............100 .......................618
    16............100 .......................618
    17............100 .......................618
    18............100 .......................618
    19............100 .......................618
    20............100 .......................619
    21............100 .......................619
    Week 4
    22............100 .......................619
    23............100 .......................619
    24............100 .......................619
    25............100 .......................619
    26............100 .......................619
    27............100 .......................619
    28............100 .......................619
    Week 5
    29...,........100 .......................619
    30............100 .......................619
    31............100 .......................619
    32............100 .......................619
    33............100 .......................619
    34............100 .......................619
    35............100 .......................619
    Week 6
    36............100 .......................619
    37............100 .......................619
    38............100 .......................619
    39............100 .......................619
    40............100 .......................619
    41............100 .......................619
    42............100 .......................619
    Week 7
    43............100 .......................619
    44............100 .......................619
    45............100 .......................619
    46............100 .......................619
    47............100 .......................619
    48............100 .......................619
    49............100 .......................619
    Week 8
    50............100 .......................619
    51............100 .......................619
    52............100 .......................619
    53............100 .......................619
    54............100 .......................619
    55............100 .......................619
    56............100 .......................619


    Also you can see by the numbers...
    Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
    That your only really doing 619mgs.





    Question:




    So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...*




    as posted by 46and2aheadofme (the same who made the graph) Thanks 46




    Answer:




    Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page

    The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here


    Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
    There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....

    The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .

    The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.

    There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
    The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
    So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.





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    *




    Here is the normal 3 times a week chart




    *Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
    It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
    It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


    1 ...250 .......................238
    2 ...0 ..........................201
    3 ...250 .......................409
    4 ...0 ..........................346
    5 ...250 .......................532
    6 ...0 ..........................451
    7 ...0 ..........................384
    Week 2
    8 ...250 .......................566
    9 ...0 ..........................480
    10...250 .......................646
    11...0 ..........................547
    12...250 .......................703
    13...0 ..........................595
    14...0 ..........................507
    Week 3
    15...250 .......................672
    16...0 ..........................569
    17...250 .......................722
    18...0 ..........................611
    19...250 .......................758
    20...0 ..........................642
    21...0 ..........................547
    Week 4
    22...250 .......................706
    23...0 ..........................598
    24...250 .......................747
    25...0 ..........................632
    26...250 .......................776
    27...0 ..........................657
    28...0 ..........................560
    Week 5
    29...250 .......................717
    30...0 ..........................607
    31...250 .......................755
    32...0 ..........................639
    33...250 .......................782
    34...0 ..........................662
    35...0 ..........................564
    Week 6
    36...250 .......................721
    37...0 ..........................610
    38...250 .......................757
    39...0 ..........................641
    40...250 .......................784
    41...0 ..........................663
    42...0 ..........................656
    Week 7
    43...250 .......................722
    44...0 ..........................611
    45...250 .......................758
    46...0 ..........................642
    47...250 .......................784
    48...0 ..........................664
    49...250 .......................566
    Week 8
    50...250 .......................722
    51...0 ..........................611
    52...250 .......................758
    53...0 ..........................642
    54...250 .......................784
    55...0 ..........................664
    56...0...........................566

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    great info, thanks

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    Well, if you manage to draw up exactly 100 mg (from a 250 mg amp) and spend a fortune in needles (they cost $ 1 a piece in Norway) this might be the best. I see that you add more to begin with then maintain the levels as you go.

    Still, for a more moderate user taking one shot a week shouldn`t be all that bad, not with sust. With prop, all hell breaks loose, but that`s cus of the short half-life. By the way, I don`t think that purple line looks all that bad, really

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Viking
    Well, if you manage to draw up exactly 100 mg (from a 250 mg amp) and spend a fortune in needles (they cost $ 1 a piece in Norway) this might be the best. I see that you add more to begin with then maintain the levels as you go.

    Still, for a more moderate user taking one shot a week shouldn`t be all that bad, not with sust. With prop, all hell breaks loose, but that`s cus of the short half-life. By the way, I don`t think that purple line looks all that bad, really

    Number one: If you cant figure out how to draw it, you shouldnt be using.


    Number two: Your assumption is wrong. My first cycle I shot once a week and the sides are bad. If ppl dont want to do sus eod, they should not use it.

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    i agree atleast eod but Every week is stupid with sus. You wont even see the same gains.. if you cant afford the needles then dont use sus.

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    When the shit is released little by little its designed so you want have to inject every ****ing day. I trust the manufacturer. If I want a product that I have to inject every day, that product is called prop. If you have to shoot sust as often as prop, then the whole point of a testo mix is lost.

    I did sust with one injection every 10 days (!!) OK, that was probably not the smartest thing I`ve done, but awsome gains, no side effects and I kept ALL my gains. 250 mg is 250 mg and when its released slowly, over a span of more than a week, I seriously doubt the difference in effect will be that big, if any.

    P.S: I know how to draw, but to fiddle around with 1/4 of an amp, nah, keeping the rest of the shit in a vial, stabbing myself every day, building up scare-tissue, is it worth it? When the swings in the blood streams are that low and I don`t get any side-effects. Nah? Not as long as the effect is the same, which I`m pretty sure it is, distributing the 250 mgs in a slightly different matter won`t really affect you all that much, if any.

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    last time i checked prop was in sus..

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    I shot sust evry other day, alright, changed to ED and got much better results, and like Deezuhl said its got Prop so to get the most from all compounds ED is the way to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Viking
    When the shit is released little by little its designed so you want have to inject every ****ing day. I trust the manufacturer. If I want a product that I have to inject every day, that product is called prop. If you have to shoot sust as often as prop, then the whole point of a testo mix is lost.

    I did sust with one injection every 10 days (!!) OK, that was probably not the smartest thing I`ve done, but awsome gains, no side effects and I kept ALL my gains. 250 mg is 250 mg and when its released slowly, over a span of more than a week, I seriously doubt the difference in effect will be that big, if any.

    P.S: I know how to draw, but to fiddle around with 1/4 of an amp, nah, keeping the rest of the shit in a vial, stabbing myself every day, building up scare-tissue, is it worth it? When the swings in the blood streams are that low and I don`t get any side-effects. Nah? Not as long as the effect is the same, which I`m pretty sure it is, distributing the 250 mgs in a slightly different matter won`t really affect you all that much, if any.
    Sust was made for TRT, so that people wouldnt have to inject as often at low dosages, but for body buiding purposes and stated in Hookers profile, eod at least if not evryday!

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