complete newbie

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 10:37 AM

I know that I don't really know anything about cycling so that is why I am here... to pick the brains of people that know what they are talking about. I am 22yo 5'10",170lbs. I just got done cutting some unwanted fat, just through clean diet, cardio and lifting. I was previously 185lbs. I am now looking to put on and a friend of mine told me to take aratest 250 and I should put on about 15 in muscle and keep about 7-8lbs of it. What I am curious about is that I decided to look up aratest online and it basically said that 250 is weak as sh*t and 2500 is the way to go. Also my friend said it is $100 for a 10 week cycle which online it said that 2500 should be $75-100 so am I gonna get ripped off completely here? any and all thoughts and feedback would be more then appreciated. Thank you guys.

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 10:39 AM

what 2.5 gram's a week is the way to go did i read that right

**Booz** · 06-30-2005, 10:39 AM

1st cycle imo should consist of 500mg test e weekly 10-12 weeks correct pct to follow mate!

**longhorn814** · 06-30-2005, 10:41 AM

bro, before you jump into anything and buy things you dont know what they are or do, spend some quality time on here doing some research. Use the search button, youve got lots of good info at your finger tips. Here are a few things to search for: first cycles, test only, PCT, anti e's. Dont rush into anything as you have plenty of time to grow. Its really important to take the time to research these powerful chemicals and how to use them correctly and understand how they effect your body before you take them, otherwise youre just asking for trouble.

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 10:41 AM

stocky121 - 25mg, i think that would be .25 grams
Booz- what is test e?

**Taurus** · 06-30-2005, 10:42 AM

bro, just like everything else in life, never take the word of just one person on a topic you are not familiar with...you are on one of the best forum's when it comes to gaining knowledge about AAS...do as much reading as you can and get the experiences of many on this site...

almost everyone will tell u to do a test only cycle for your first cycle. use the search function provided and type in "first cycle"...and you will know all you need to know...good luck.

**juicy_brucy** · 06-30-2005, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

bro, before you jump into anything and buy things you dont know what they are or do, spend some quality time on here doing some research. Use the search button, youve got lots of good info at your finger tips. Here are a few things to search for: first cycles, test only, PCT, anti e's. Dont rush into anything as you have plenty of time to grow. Its really important to take the time to research these powerful chemicals and how to use them correctly and understand how they effect your body before you take them, otherwise youre just asking for trouble.

You gotta take this good advice. Read this entire site and don't be afraid to ask questions. You came to the right site.

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 10:43 AM

yeah - you are probably very right. but you know how things go.... somethings on the mind and you want it done yesterday.

**Booz** · 06-30-2005, 10:44 AM

test enanthate .

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

stocky121 - 25mg, i think that would be .25 grams
Booz- what is test e?

250mg is .25 of a gram

2500mg is 2.5 gram's

it was just the way i read it bro

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 10:45 AM

well im gonna take your advice, start searching and reading everything on here... and if any of you guys that are knowledgeable could throw out a detailed thing about a good first cycle: gains/side effects/price range/side supplements to decrease side effects that would be awesome.

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 10:46 AM

stocky - yeah you read it correctly, any thoughts?

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

stocky - yeah you read it correctly, any thoughts?

what 2500mg all together or each week ??

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 10:54 AM

each week the 2500 is 200mg enthanate/50mg propanate

the 250 is 25mg of propanate per week so yeah 250mg's for the total cycle and 2500 total

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

each week the 2500 is 200mg enthanate/50mg propanate

the 250 is 25mg of propanate per week so yeah 250mg's for the total cycle and 2500 total

that's cool bro i thought you where doing 2.5 gram's a week and that is way way to much keep researching though bro

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 10:57 AM

thank you bud, is .25mg/wk good or too low?

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

thank you bud, is .25mg/wk good or too low?

i would go with 500mg which is .5 of a gram a week for 10 to 12 week's

have you bought the stuff already ?

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 11:03 AM

no, i have not... i am supposed to be buying it tomorrow, so i decided it would be a good idea to come here and research it before i get myself over my head

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

no, i have not... i am supposed to be buying it tomorrow, so i decided it would be a good idea to come here and research it before i get myself over my head

i would not get that bro with 25mg of prop in you need to inject it EOD (every other day)

instead i would get some test e or test c

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 11:07 AM

I just read about E and it said that it is common for some people to inject 500mg, or 1000 or even 2000 per day.... that seems like a crazy lot

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 11:17 AM

any thoughts on sustanon 250 for a first time user?

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

any thoughts on sustanon 250 for a first time user?

no sus that need's to be injected EOD if you can handle it go for it bro

**longhorn814** · 06-30-2005, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

I just read about E and it said that it is common for some people to inject 500mg, or 1000 or even 2000 per day.... that seems like a crazy lot

a common first cycle is 500mg/wk of test e for 10-12 weeks followed by proper PCT. I dont know of anybody that injects that much test e/day. With test e you only have to shoot twice a week, with sust you really should shoot eod to get max results.

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 11:30 AM

ok... thank you guys.... i am going to see if the kid has E.... from what i have found in my research so far is that E is def. the way to go as a newbie and that aratest 2500 is 200mg of E + 50mg of prop per week. so would that one be ok?

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by fini22

ok... thank you guys.... i am going to see if the kid has E.... from what i have found in my research so far is that E is def. the way to go as a newbie and that aratest 2500 is 200mg of E + 50mg of prop per week. so would that one be ok?

not really because it has prop in which is short acting and to keep blood level's stable you need to inject EOD

**fini22** · 06-30-2005, 11:33 AM

ok, now it is starting to make sense to me. I didn't know that about the prop. So it is looking like i should try to find straight E and then get the proper pct. Next question. what is the proper pct and can i stay on creatine while on E?

**stocky121** · 06-30-2005, 11:35 AM

everything you need to know is in here bro about pct

Pheedno's PCT

**SwoleCat** · 06-30-2005, 11:52 AM

At 170 lbs., I seriously doubt you are anywhere near your natural limitations.

I'd focus on a solid base for a good many years, one that you can KEEP, and then introduce ancillaries if/when they are "needed".

Just my .02......

~SC~