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    Liver probs

    I just got my bloodwork back and my liver functions are a little high, d*mn m1t. My doc doesnt seem to worried about it so As of right now I think I am still going to start my cycle next week. What do yall think???

    1-16 test enan 825mg
    1-16 test prop 700mg
    1-9 deca pp 525mg
    11-16 fina 350
    3-9 cytomel

    Ive been off m1t for six weeks, and my doc doesnt know that I am planning on using anabolics
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    i think you should wait until your liver function returns to normal.

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    bump

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    No doubt you should wait till your liver recovers fully. Mild damage to the liver can be regenerated, however severe damage cannot. Just wait until you are back to normal and then start light, perhaps with a Winny + Test cycle.

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    that cycle looks screwed up too.
    Why both prop and e? That's 1525mg a week.
    Why deca and fina? That's a bad combo together even if not concurrent.
    Better off imo making 2 cycles like
    A. 1-16 test e
    1-16 deca
    B. 1-10 fina
    1-10 prop
    1-10 cytomel

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    yes why the prop and enanthate throughout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon69
    that cycle looks screwed up too.
    Why both prop and e? That's 1525mg a week.
    Why deca and fina? That's a bad combo together even if not concurrent.
    Better off imo making 2 cycles like
    A. 1-16 test e
    1-16 deca
    B. 1-10 fina
    1-10 prop
    1-10 cytomel

    I ran 1200mg of test enantate on my last cycle, so this cycle I am bumping it up a little bit and Im throwing in the prop to get rid of some of the bloat.

    I have used both deca and fina before with no problems. I am using it together this time because my workout podna says that the fast acting deca is the best thing since sliced bread for cutting or bulking and I really want to try it. I will be using femara the whole way through instead of only having it on hand as I did in the past.

    I dont want to do your cycle plan A. because I am going to be cutting on this cycle.

    I dont want to do you cycle plan B. because It is to short and doesnt look very promising as far as gains are concerned. I went 16 weeks on my last three cycles and them last four weeks is were the magic is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevaenuf
    I ran 1200mg of test enantate on my last cycle, so this cycle I am bumping it up a little bit and Im throwing in the prop to get rid of some of the bloat.

    Thats why I thought you were, but apparently that at super doses of test, the water actually begins to fade off a bit??? Strange yes, but I hear that its more quality, keepable gains with super doses... like higher than 1.5 grams a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justarting
    Thats why I thought you were, but apparently that at super doses of test, the water actually begins to fade off a bit??? Strange yes, but I hear that its more quality, keepable gains with super doses... like higher than 1.5 grams a week
    Interesting, I will look into this. I was probobly going to
    drop the prop and bump the enantate up a bit when I start the fina any way

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    Just how high were your liver functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevaenuf
    Interesting, I will look into this. I was probobly going to
    drop the prop and bump the enantate up a bit when I start the fina any way

    Yeah, or liek the other guy said, if you dont mind the daily injections why not just do a ALL prop? I guess the only downside to that would be the pain factor. I remember reading BDTR's experiment thread and he said somethign along the lines of "thje guy at 2 grams per week experienced less bloate and retained way more muscle"
    I'm in the process of trying myself, but I am using letro also

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    Quote Originally Posted by darmadoc
    Just how high were your liver functions.

    I dont remember what it was measured in but the number was 85 above normal. My doc said that it should come down pretty fast after I lay off all the entergy pills and ibuproven.

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    That cycle looks messed up to me. Way to much test IMO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XWhiteDenali
    That cycle looks messed up to me. Way to much test IMO!
    agreed.

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    bro join the club. my alt/ast were up 120 and 100 range. mine were elevated for 4 months and over the past 6 mo's i have brought them down. 0-40 ish is preffered. i have been on liv-52 for 3 weeks got them tested they are down to 33 and 30. my philosophy is mild at this point. because i do have "mild" fatty liver. despite my alt/ast being down to normal. im doing test e 250-500 mg tapered 8 weeks. nothing else, my system does well with test. no need to get crazy with multiple compounds. just looking for 10-15 lbs and to be honest it may be my last hurrah. at some point enough has to be enough. maybe you should consider a lower dose and really concentrate on the quality and intensity in the gym. you''ll still come out ahead! my 2c

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