Gains to be lost.

**DizzyBoy** · 07-17-2005, 01:56 AM

Hello I was wondering... I am taking 500mg/week of Testosterone Enanthate . I was wondering how much of my gains I can keep after a proper PCT.

**Seattle Junk** · 07-17-2005, 02:08 AM

Just got off the same program. I was on 500mg of test e for 6 weeks then added in testovorin (from TJ) while tapering off at 250mg to 125mg for the last 2 weeks. Been off for 3 weeks now w/pct and so far I've only lost 2lbs of the 10 I gained. Probably water? I've done cardio thru the whole cycle along with eating very clean. So far a net of 8lbs so I am happy. I like enth much better than cyp or prop personally. Cyp makes me bloat too much and prop hurts at the injection site. Less sides for me.

**guest589745** · 07-17-2005, 02:10 AM

I heard tapering was pointless. ???

**Seattle Junk** · 07-17-2005, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by jaragon_1

I heard tapering was pointless. ???

You may be right... I've been out of the game for almost 10 years so please tell me what is best. I'm re-educating myself, Thanks.

**Almost There** · 07-17-2005, 09:56 AM

if PCT is done correctly, you should be able to keep 70-100% of your gains...

**SwoleCat** · 07-17-2005, 10:00 AM

Gains kept are dependent upon two major things:

1) Your PCT

2) How much of a NATURAL base you had to begin with. (Perhaps more important than #1 in all actuality)

~SC~

**chris2wire** · 07-17-2005, 11:06 AM

Why would having a large natural base matter? just curious

**Polska** · 07-17-2005, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by chris2wire

Why would having a large natural base matter? just curious

It's like having a good foundation on which to build a house on; the bigger the foundation the bigger the house that can go on top. It's the same with the body... if there's a good base then the body is more likely to be able to sustain itself after exogenous supplementation is ceased.

BG · 07-17-2005, 11:30 AM

I waiting to 30 years old for first cycle, built a very good base over 10 years, kept all gains afterward and started getting good gains again 5 weeks after pct, base in everythingJMO!

**DizzyBoy** · 07-17-2005, 11:43 AM

Hmm... I'm going to be getting 25 caps of 50mg clomid? will this be enough for a proper PCT? I know i shoul dhave gotten the stuff ahead of time but... i figured i had 12 weeks to get the stuff..

**Money Boss Hustla** · 07-17-2005, 11:49 AM

Well said SC.

Good analogy Polska.

Honestly Dizzy...there are way too many variables to even guess what type of gains you will keep. Plain and simple...no one knows. We all find out the hard way and learn by our own journeys.

**DizzyBoy** · 07-17-2005, 11:52 AM

Yah... I figured that we all have different bodies. I still need my PCT question answered though. Is 25 50mg caps going to be enough?

***BajanBastard*** · 07-17-2005, 11:57 AM

First of you have to ask yourself what are "gains" overall bulk and muscle size or lean muscle mass? IMO water should not be seen as gains, only the lean muscle you gained during the cycle. So the use of a clean diet and anti-estrogens should be used to prevent bloat. With that being said, with proper PCT, diet and training post cycle there is no reason you cannot keep most if not all your hard earned muscle.

**DizzyBoy** · 07-17-2005, 12:03 PM

That's good to hear. That's what I was hoping to hear. I'm still wondering if 25 50mg caps of clomid is a proper PCT when done correctly.

**Money Boss Hustla** · 07-17-2005, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by DizzyBoy

That's good to hear. That's what I was hoping to hear. I'm still wondering if 25 50mg caps of clomid is a proper PCT when done correctly.

I guess it depends on what PCT you plan on doing. This may help you figure things out for yourself.

http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/

**SwoleCat** · 07-17-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Polska

It's like having a good foundation on which to build a house on; the bigger the foundation the bigger the house that can go on top. It's the same with the body... if there's a good base then the body is more likely to be able to sustain itself after exogenous supplementation is ceased.

Precisely, thanks for answering this so eloquently brutha!

~SC~