strength more than size

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07-18-2005, 10:38 AM
HavoX

strength more than size

I'm 23 and have been lifting since highschool. from 18 to now I've been very serious about it. I'm thinking of starting my first cycle. I don't want to gain too much weight, but I want strength increases. Also, it is very important that I can keep my gains.

so here is what I'm thinking:

Test Enanthate for 12 weeks @ 300-400 mg/week
Anavar for 4 weeks (or eight?) @ 50mg/day
PCT with Nolva and Clomid. Maybe HCG.

what do you guys think? I want a low dose of test to keep my weight down... any advice?
07-18-2005, 10:40 AM
elcapitan

Sounds very conservative for a first cycle. That would be the way to go. I would have some anti E's on hand during the cycle just in case gyno becomes a concern.
07-18-2005, 12:11 PM
Nicky B

Quote:

Originally Posted by elcapitan

Sounds very conservative for a first cycle. That would be the way to go. I would have some anti E's on hand during the cycle just in case gyno becomes a concern.

I agree and you can run the anavar longer then 4weeks. I personally like running it for 8weeks.
07-18-2005, 12:30 PM
MatrixGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by HavoX

I'm 23 and have been lifting since highschool. from 18 to now I've been very serious about it. I'm thinking of starting my first cycle. I don't want to gain too much weight, but I want strength increases. Also, it is very important that I can keep my gains.

so here is what I'm thinking:

Test Enanthate for 12 weeks @ 300-400 mg/week
Anavar for 4 weeks (or eight?) @ 50mg/day
PCT with Nolva and Clomid. Maybe HCG.

what do you guys think? I want a low dose of test to keep my weight down... any advice?

Bro, would you be bothered about injecting ED? If not i would go with Test Prop with var. You will gain some great strength gains but weight will be kept to a minimum.
07-18-2005, 12:32 PM
AG5678

Typically Var is run for 6-8 weeks and the dose you had is fine.

I would stongly advise that Test goes to 500mg wk but its your cycle.

AG5678
07-18-2005, 12:33 PM
Heracles74

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatrixGuy

Bro, would you be bothered about injecting ED? If not i would go with Test Prop with var. You will gain some great strength gains but weight will be kept to a minimum.

Very good point Matrix guy... first cycle though... ED injections... might be a bit much IMO.
07-18-2005, 12:33 PM
AG5678

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatrixGuy

Bro, would you be bothered about injecting ED? If not i would go with Test Prop with var. You will gain some great strength gains but weight will be kept to a minimum.

That would not be bad either you could even get away with EOD inj.

AG5678
07-18-2005, 01:07 PM
Swifto

Test 500mg/wk for 12 weeks ending with Var for the last 6 weeks right up to PCT.
07-18-2005, 01:57 PM
QuieTSToRM33

Prop and var would be the way to go for strength gains with no so much weight gain ... but the ED injections might be harsh for a first-timer
07-18-2005, 02:05 PM
nathanlgd

I'm doing a similar cycle starting in 2 to 3 weeks.
I'm doing:-
Test E 400mg a week - weeks 1-10
Anavar 40/50mg a day - weeks 8-12
Nolva and l-dex throughout.
Nolva and clomid for PCT
Looking to stack on some decent weight and strength from this. I'd like 10-15 keepable pounds if possible so I want to be making 15-20lb's just before PCT.
I was thinking about using EQ rather than Var but it has to be shot EOD (so I've read) so it'd be abit much for my first cycle.
07-19-2005, 01:18 AM
HavoX

i'll see if prop. is available.

would i run it at 50mg EOD or 100mg EOD?
07-19-2005, 01:21 AM
Drummerboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifto

Test 500mg/wk for 12 weeks ending with Var for the last 6 weeks right up to PCT.

exactly what i woulda said
07-19-2005, 01:23 AM
Drummerboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathanlgd

I'm doing a similar cycle starting in 2 to 3 weeks.
I'm doing:-
Test E 400mg a week - weeks 1-10
Anavar 40/50mg a day - weeks 8-12
Nolva and l-dex throughout.
Nolva and clomid for PCT
Looking to stack on some decent weight and strength from this. I'd like 10-15 keepable pounds if possible so I want to be making 15-20lb's just before PCT.
I was thinking about using EQ rather than Var but it has to be shot EOD (so I've read) so it'd be abit much for my first cycle.

am i alone in thinking that i only need the anti-e when sides are too much? I thought estro had a role in growth.... I use for sure with PCT though, right thru (nolva/ldex/clen(benedryl/keto)/clomid)