Thread: How much test is too much...?
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07-19-2005, 03:11 PM #1Associate Member
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How much test is too much...?
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07-19-2005, 03:14 PM #2
if it is your first cycle go with 75-100mg prop a day for 12 weeks
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07-19-2005, 03:15 PM #3
I'm on 1000mg Test E but I'm a bit far more advanced and experienced...
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07-19-2005, 03:16 PM #4Associate Member
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It's relative. You could do a cycle with 2g of test, and I would bet a large sum of money that you would not have a decreased life expectancy.
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07-19-2005, 03:20 PM #5Associate Member
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you set the bar high, you leave yourself no choice but to start higher next time. there is no right answer everyone is different. i would never take 1000mg of test a week personally. i gain fine off of 500 tops . i have done 5 cycles.i would be wasting it if i went that high. everyone has a point where it becomes counterproductive. in my opinion the more test the more sides(water retention=hypertension, etc). but the majority disagrees with me, thats fine. to each his own.
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07-19-2005, 03:25 PM #6
For a first cycle i'd drop the other compounds and go with either cyp or enan and use d-bol or prop as a jump start for 12 weeks. There's no need for you to start off with that much stuff for your first one... Besides, with the way prop feels i dont think you wanna do it for 18 weeks ed
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L-Dex and Nolva throughout the cycle as well as Pheendo's PCT at the end.
I started low and upped the dose because I have read some studies that indicate that ramping up is more beneficial. Reference Backface post on the University of MD study.
Pain I am not worried about. I know everybody has said don't do it but my buddy is doing it right now and if anything, it keeps him motivated and on track. I plan on cutting the prop with some BW.
B6 is in my multi. I am not too worried about progesterone gyno if that is what you mentionned that for.
I am really not going that far over what a beginner cycle would be the way I see it but I am open to all commentary as I will make an educated decision based on input from members.
Take into account that I am 6'5 and a little over 250lbs now @ about 12%BF.
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I have considerd a 15 week version of the same cycle but I think it is beneficial to run the Deca for at least 12 weeks and I wanted to run the prop beyond the Deca in order to limit the off time before PCT.
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07-19-2005, 03:45 PM #9
If it's your first cycle, just use 50mg ED of prop. You don't need as much as you have listed bro. You will be wasting your money. And leave the Deca alone for now.
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Originally Posted by gsxxrOriginally Posted by hatchblack
I am open to all advice and that is why I posted it. I would prefer to have advice from people that have experience what I am going to do or have done research. You may have done both so I will take that under advisement.Last edited by hatchblack; 07-19-2005 at 03:57 PM.
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07-19-2005, 03:56 PM #11Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 9000rpm
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07-19-2005, 04:01 PM #12
IMO, you should've ran Cyp or Enanthate .
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07-19-2005, 04:01 PM #13Associate Member
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Originally Posted by gsxxr
My point in bringing up the thing about upping the doses was only in reference to Backfaces post.
I appreciate your input.
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Originally Posted by The Massacre
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07-19-2005, 04:09 PM #15Originally Posted by hatchblack
It's all in the diet and training bro. If you are my size, (5'5" 180lbs) eat around 350 to 400 grams of protein a day along with about 200 grams of carbs a day. Train HARD, and you will make very good gains from low doses.
Don't waste your money bro.
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07-19-2005, 04:11 PM #16Originally Posted by gsxxr
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07-19-2005, 04:25 PM #17Originally Posted by gsxxr
One advantage us small guys have (at least me), is that I can pack on some good mass kinda quickly and it shows really well. A 6'5" guy could gain 30 lbs and you would barely be able to tell. I see before and after pics of this all the time, and I sitting there thinking, "where's all this weight he gained?" Lanky bastards.
One thing I do enjoy is lifting big weight for such a small guy though. People in my gym see me benching 315x6 and they are shocked. Not to mention 1000x6 on the sled, or 405x8 squat. But I still would like to have another 3 to 5 inches. Height that is.
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07-19-2005, 04:31 PM #18Associate Member
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impressive, i agree with the low dose strategy. steroids only HELP you acheive results. the dosage alone doesnt just plunge you to new sizes. it is truely all about diet, rest , training and avoidance of other setbacks.
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07-19-2005, 04:58 PM #19Originally Posted by gsxxr
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not all prop hurts....everybody is different...JMO
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07-19-2005, 05:04 PM #21Originally Posted by YZ250
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I see where you guys are getting away with running 300-350mgs but weighing in the 175 range...is the conversion linear to say then that a guy that is roughly 80lbs heavier needs roughly 1.5 times what the same guy at 175 would need?
Also, supposedly HF prop is smooth. My buddy never really complains at all...and he is a pussy so he would tell me if it really hurt.
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07-19-2005, 06:41 PM #23Originally Posted by hatchblack
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07-19-2005, 06:43 PM #24Originally Posted by gsxxr
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07-19-2005, 09:42 PM #25Associate Member
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Thanks for the responses. Kind of different from what accepted board mentality is, however, certainly worth considering. Thanks.
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