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07-21-2005, 02:04 PM #1New Member
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proper pct for test E only cycle?
hey guys, I've been bored a couple days now, and like I said I am getting back into heavy lifting. I will be getting into my first cycle soon, I'll be running a test E only cycle at 500 mg for twelve weeks. My question actually has to do with pct. I've heard some good stuff about clomid, and what else do you guys recomment for a pct?
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best 2 are HCG and Clomid
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Originally Posted by smokethedays
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07-21-2005, 03:47 PM #4
Run Clomid and Nolva for PCT.
Correct PCT should consist of:
wk 1-2 Clomid 100mg/ED
wk 2-4 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-4 Creatine 5g/ED
wk 1-4 Tribulas 4g/ED
wk 1-4 L-Glutamine 10mg/ED
MultiVitimins and 1000mg/ED Vit C should also be included with Omega-3's and a Zinc and Magnesium supplement.
Make sure you increase your calories (eat clean) and also train hard. Rest is also a key ingredient (8-9 hours) and you'll maximize the chances of keeping your gains.
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07-21-2005, 03:54 PM #5
Day 1 clomid protocol is 300 mg.
I've also found Fenugreek works better than tribulus for restoring testes.
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07-26-2005, 11:12 AM #6New Member
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does lion nutrition sell clomid?
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07-26-2005, 11:22 AM #7Originally Posted by holy_molar1973
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07-26-2005, 12:12 PM #8
tribulus is worthless...i've only seen ONE study where it was shown to increase serum T levels an avg. of 30%, which, if you're taking nolva and clomid, will probably equate to ZERO...save your money
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07-26-2005, 12:20 PM #9Originally Posted by Alpha-Male
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08-11-2005, 02:11 PM #10New Member
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why do you hate tibulus? cause it's basically worthless. haha, i don't have a great deal of money so I would deffinately rather get my moneys worth than use something that isn't even going to help me keep up on my gains. thanx guys, very helpful
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08-11-2005, 02:31 PM #12
i kno some mods on here say a nolvadex only pct is fine, i plan on running a 40mg/day for first 2 weeks and 20mg/day until i feel that i am back at my normal state for my pct, will be starting in about a week and a half
week and a half, plus 2 weeks (test e)
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08-15-2005, 02:21 PM #13Originally Posted by smokethedays
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08-15-2005, 02:44 PM #14
HCG - swells the testes by tricking them into thinking there is ample test in them, however there isn't - so naturally your body will raise estrogen levels to combat the perceived rise in test - raises the risk of gyno...
nolvadex - anti-e - what purpose would this have in getting your natural levels back to normal???
Clomid - tells the balls to start producing test - best bet...
as for Trib & Zinc - I'm a member of another board and several there run this combo and bounce back quite nicely.
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08-15-2005, 03:10 PM #15
[QUOTE=rock75]
nolvadex - anti-e - what purpose would this have in getting your natural levels back to normal???
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Taken verbatim from the profile section of this board, courtesy of Hooker...
"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone , LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks."
any other questions???
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08-15-2005, 03:12 PM #16Originally Posted by rock75
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08-15-2005, 03:12 PM #17
I've become a big believer in HCG the last few weeks or month of your cycle, depending how long your run. So HCG (w/nolva if needed) at 500 - 1,000ius spread throughout a week (eod) then stop HCG at your last AAS shot. Then start with clomid & trib for the next 3-4 weeks....That should give you the low hangers back...
Last edited by Seattle Junk; 08-15-2005 at 03:15 PM.
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08-15-2005, 03:15 PM #18Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
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08-15-2005, 03:17 PM #19Originally Posted by Alpha-Male
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08-15-2005, 03:36 PM #20
well, personally, i've never used it during, and don't intend to, and since i've never really taken test for longer than 10 weeks, i've never found it necessary...however, i would suggest using it for cycles of 12 weeks or longer, at fairly small doses, regardless of amounts of aas used...but always in conjunction with nolva...
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Nolvadex all the way. I have ran HCG and I don't like it and I definetly feel more comfortable running nolvadex. Tried and true and if I use anything in conjuction withit, its always clomid. For anti-estrogens, run l-dex or letrozole , letro being prefered as it is a newer science and gets the job done quicker..
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08-17-2005, 12:57 PM #22New Member
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wow, thanx guys that's all really good information!!
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