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07-22-2005, 07:22 PM #1
Yes or No to Decca in this Cycle??
Here's the cylce I have laid out to be started in about a month. I was going to run 300mgs of Dec but a few people told me not too. Any suggestions to what I should replace it with???
Weeks 1-12-----> 750mgs Test E
Weeks 4-12-----> 225mgs Tren
3.6iu Gh through entire cycle
Slin 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
A lot of people are telling me not to run the Dec alongside the Tren. IF thats so then what else should I take? I've been using juice for quite some time so feel comfortable running something like this.
Thanks!!!!
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07-22-2005, 09:46 PM #2Junior Member
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EQ would be better and makes more sense!
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07-23-2005, 08:47 AM #3Originally Posted by gsxxr
Great info thank you very much!!! I didnt want to elaborate too much on the cycle but I"m actually running the GH for 6 months. Running it for 2 months alone before starting the AAS. Want to really get the most out of this. Startuing the AAS in about 5 weeks so I want to get the game plan set so the gear can follow!!!
GSXXR??? Anything to do w/ the bike? I've had about 5 of them. 2 of them almost led to my death.
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07-23-2005, 08:48 AM #4Originally Posted by tomp
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07-23-2005, 08:54 AM #5
whats ur cycle history,
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07-23-2005, 11:12 AM #6Originally Posted by lucabratzi
I've been cycling for about5 years now on and off. I feel very comforatable handling a big cycle.
I basically jstu decided to run it like this:
Weeks 1-16-----> Test E 750mgs
Weeks 1-8------> 300mgs Decca
Weeks 8-16-----> 250mgs Tren
Weeks 1-4------> 40mgs Anavar
Gh for 6 months at 3.6iu a day 5 on 2 off
Slin (Humalog) for 6 months 1 month on 1 month off
PCT is under control also
Was going to throw in about 200mgs of EQ for weeks 1-8 but think that cylce listed above is enough.
Thanks!!!
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07-23-2005, 12:27 PM #7Originally Posted by Jayhova16
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07-23-2005, 02:35 PM #8Originally Posted by mtown
Good question and YES. I started the Slin and the Gh at the same time. Right now I"m off the Slin and just taking the GH so I"m itchin' to start up my AAS soon!!!
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07-23-2005, 04:07 PM #9Senior Member
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I kind of disagree with this. You're going to run Deca and Tren at the same time? Whats your ancillary for Progesterone? Why are you running low doses of long esters for short periosds?
Weeks 1-16-----> Test E 750mgs (Frontload first week to a gram or so.)
Weeks 1-8------> 300mgs Deca (This is pointless)
Weeks 8-16-----> 250mgs Tren (This is too low)
Weeks 1-4------> 40mgs Anavar (put this at the end)
Revised... I would run as follows.
Week 1 ----> 1.5 gram of Test-E, PLUS 1 gram of EQ
(which I would actually run higher, but I ran lower to be somewhat in line with your low dose of Deca)
Weeks 2-12-----> Test E 750mgs
Weeks 2-13-----> 500mgs EQ
Weeks 7-15-----> Tren-A at 50-100mg ED
Weeks 10-15----> 40mgs Anavar
Weeks 13-15----> Test Prop @ 100mg ED
Now that makes a bit more sense to me. It's a heavy cycle, but shit should clear out all about the same time this way... and get you leanned up towards the end.Last edited by Two4the$$; 07-23-2005 at 04:10 PM.
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07-23-2005, 04:12 PM #10Senior Member
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also, given that you're frontloading it in my revised version... you'll get like, 40% more gains in the same length cycle... so if you actually wanted to minimize time your shut down... just finish the cycle earlier... compress the timeline of your moving the dosages and esterred compounds around.
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07-24-2005, 03:11 PM #11Originally Posted by TrumanHW
Why take the Var at the end?? Just to lean up towards the end? I was going to take it at first for some type of jumpstart.
Thanks again!!!
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07-24-2005, 03:20 PM #12
Now I haev heard of people front loading but whats the point?
I would think that would shock your system. I never knew the reasoning behind that.
I actually just revised my cycle and am going to run it just like you said. Thanks a lot Truman!!
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07-24-2005, 03:40 PM #13
I also saw that you recommened the Tren -Acetate. BD has a new Tren out that a 150mg/ml tri-tren. Its composed of 3 esters of Tren.. I was going to get that instead. I cant get the ecetate. Its either the Depot or the Tri. What do you think?
Remember whatever you recommend I highly appreeciate
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07-24-2005, 08:59 PM #14Senior Member
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I will do a follow up post when I get back from work... sorry for the delay. I don't think I would go with a blended Tren , because it will be difficult to manage your daily volume... and it will be ramping up. The Var at the end is for the sake of leaning out... it would be good timing for it. And finally... the frontloading info you asked for is here...
Frontloading motives and benefits explained.
Bump it if you like that thread... :-)
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07-25-2005, 09:25 AM #15Originally Posted by TrumanHW
Just read the thread on front loading. F***ing great thread. Too bad about the sticky, that's where it should be.
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07-25-2005, 12:56 PM #16Senior Member
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Thanks Jay ... I wish I knew it before my last cycle ... but, that's the nature of experience. So, any other indicision?
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07-25-2005, 01:04 PM #17Originally Posted by TrumanHW
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07-25-2005, 04:21 PM #18Originally Posted by TrumanHW
Let me tell you how you and that thread totally just changed my entire cycle. I"m starting in about a month and will post my results.
I"m still a bit up in the air about the Tren though. I dont have access to the Tren-A. I can only get the teh Tren depot and the Tri tren. I would think that the Tri-tren would be the best but you didnt seem to like to like it much. What do you think I should go with????? Tren-D or the Tri????
I jsut dont know anyone who has tried the Tren Tri yet. I"m going to start a thread now on some feedback for it. Thanks so much again!!!!
Here's whats in store for me Sep 1st:
Week 1-------->1500mgs Test E
Week 1-------->800mgs EQ
Weeks 2-13---->750mgs Test E
Weeks 2-13---->400Mgs EQ
Weeks 7-13---->(Whatever tren you decide)
Weeks 10-13---->40mgs Anavar ED
Weeks 13-16---->PCT
Slin 4 weeks on 4 weeks off starting Sep 1st.
500mgs ALA Weeks off
GH 3.6iu 5on 2off single shot upon awakening.
HOW'S SHE LOOKIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!??!!?!?!!
THANKS!!!!!
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07-25-2005, 04:23 PM #19Originally Posted by mtown
Try out the Roid calc and you'll see how it works. A little time copnsuming but it's is worth it.
Thanks again!!!
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07-25-2005, 06:42 PM #20Senior Member
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Well, there are guys on here that after using EQ (and I mean the knowledgable ones) who really don't waste their money on those 400mg dosing protocols... It REALLY needs to be run at 600mg to get good solid guaranteed affects. At 400mg it will be a very light addative. 500 would actually be the MINIMUM I would recommend a guy your size using. So, definitely evaluate that component and consider that recommendation.
You changed a few other things from my cycle that I mapped out for you that I don't like as well... namely you removed the prop, which will make a greater lag time for starting PCT. That I don't like. it's unnecessary, because if you DO use tren , you'll NEED to get the acetate version. The explanaition of why is also in my frontloading thread. Anyway, if you're doing ED injections, use prop also, that way you don't have to wait weeks to start your PCT. Your last proposed cycle used enanthate and went straight in to PCT. That's just not how it works.
I think I remember you saying that you've done test before ... if not, you can really make good gains on 600mg per week, frontloaded at 1.2 grams. The EQ I'd really encourage being run at 600mg (1.2 gm the first week) also...
I hope you've already started taking the HGH ... and have been on it for a month already. if not, you need to postpone your starting date. If you don't you won't get the full benefits of increased AR in the muscle tissue that accounts for the main motive of doing growth at your age in the first place... as you're really not old enough to benefit from the youthafying affects, if that's a word.
Finally, insulin ? Dude, what are you trying to do? Gain 40 pounds in 1 cycle? Leave that out. I'd sooner do T3 (especially with tren) than insulin. I'm sure you've read about the necessary precautions... but even still, it's kind of overkiill. most people would say just do test alone for a first cycle, let alone this other gear.
Scrap that revised plan you gave me and stick to the one I suggested. It'll work, and there's a lot of logic that goes in to each ingredient, when, how much, and for how long. Unless you have sound logic to formulate your own cycle, stick to it... even post it and see what kind of feedback it gets by itself.
And last but not least... don't be committed to the 3.8 iu per day or any amount of mg of tren until you ease in to it and see your body's tolerance and side affect reactions... Since you'll be using estrogenic aswell as progestenic compounds, run Falsodex if you can find it.
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07-25-2005, 06:51 PM #21
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07-25-2005, 07:45 PM #22Senior Member
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Originally Posted by scotttiger54
LMAO
I know... I want to run tren aggressively right out the gate ... but there's just no telling how it'll affect you. It might be mild on the sides or ... as I say ... my favorite "tren testimonial" is as follows ...
"I woke up angry on tren."
That kind of says it all. lol
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07-25-2005, 07:52 PM #23Senior Member
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Week one of Test and EQ would be double whatever you decide your cycle will be...
Weeks 2-12-----> Test E 600 - 750mgs
Weeks 2-13-----> 600mgs EQ
Weeks 7-15-----> Tren -A at 50-100mg ED
Weeks 10-15----> 40mgs Anavar
Weeks 13 ----> Test Prop @ 50mg ED
Weeks 14-15----> Test Prop @ 100mg ED
Falsodex once a month...
500iu of HCG 2 x per week on weeks 12 - 16 wouldn't be bad either.
Clomid and HCG for PCT ...
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07-25-2005, 07:53 PM #24Senior Member
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the 13th week of test you'll have half of last weeks test ... so 50mg per day of prop will be fine... then bump it to 100mg for the rest of the cycle. You might gain 25 pounds on this as it is... or only 7 - 8 if your diet, training and sleep aren't right ...
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07-26-2005, 08:48 AM #25Originally Posted by TrumanHW
Awesome!! Done deal, you've mapped it out and the gear is on its way.
I actually started using the GH about 2 months ago and have another month until my cycle. I want to really build up my IGF levels and this cycle will be great for the fall and winter months to come.
I cant get the acetate version of tren so thats the only component that I left out. I have a month left to get it and if I cant I'm going to go w/ the tri-tren.
My cycle is going to go as you planned identically. I've used 750mgs of test a couple of times before so I feel comfortable doing it again.
Also, I've ran Slin before and feel comfortable using it again as well. I will only run it twice in a 4 month period then thats all.
I'll post a thread on my progress starting in about another month or so.
Once again thank you for your time and concern!!!!
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07-26-2005, 02:16 PM #26Senior Member
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Please please please... before and after pictures! Please. That will be your payment to the board for any help you've received! :-)
Did you do a before picture before you started your GH? Have you been getting leaner? What have you noticed so far?
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07-26-2005, 03:40 PM #27Originally Posted by TrumanHW
ACtually I didn't do a before pic PRIOR TO starting the GH about 2 months ago. I have a planner just for my cycles (is that really meatheadish? LOL). But I am going to take a before the day before I start on Sep 1st.
I work at a gym so I get my BF% checked every so often. Last week I was 202 at 7% and I"m 6 feet tall. So I"m hoping w/ increasing the calories and tweakin the diet a lil bit plus this cycle YOU put together, I"ll be up to 215-220.
I know you had higher hopes but I gain such lean weight. Last fall I took Sust, Dec and D-bol and gained about 12 lbs and my BF% only went up about 1%. I know you're thinking that I wasnt eating enough but I had a 4500, or so, diet. Good fats, lots of carbs and even more protein.
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07-26-2005, 03:55 PM #28
Got the Tren -A. YES!!!!
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07-26-2005, 04:11 PM #29Senior Member
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Congrats on finding the Tren ... I don't think I gained any fat on my last cycle... it's not that abnormal, although I don't have quality bf% testing equipment to base that on.
Keep us posted...
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