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    First Cycle Qs (already started).

    Ok guys could someone please answer these questions for me?
    I took my 2nd dose of Test e today, first ever dose was on Wed.

    Cycle: 1-4weeks 30mg Dbol
    1-12weeks 500mg Test E
    1-12weeks 10-20mg Nolva

    Q1. Does it really matter when i take my 2x doses/week? Like not exactly 3.5days apart but like on Wed night and Sun night? So like each dose is 4 days apart? And would it affect blood levels much if i change the time somtime to 3.5..or 3? And MOST importantly will it affect my gains?

    Q2. Would Nolva really affect my gains? Not allow me to gain all i can?

    Q3. If i inject with a 1" pin in my glutes and another time with 1.5" (so it's deeper in the muscle) will this affect my gains in any way? Because i keep hearing "the deeper the better"..but why does it matter if it's all in the muscle anyways?

    Thanks guys i appreciate it.

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    Whats your pct look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chest6
    Whats your pct look like?
    Bro it's all in check, you didn't think i was gona do PCT..?


    Anyways cmon guys..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL
    Ok guys could someone please answer these questions for me?
    I took my 2nd dose of Test e today, first ever dose was on Wed.

    Cycle: 1-4weeks 30mg Dbol
    1-12weeks 500mg Test E
    1-12weeks 10-20mg Nolva

    Q1. Does it really matter when i take my 2x doses/week? Like not exactly 3.5days apart but like on Wed night and Sun night? So like each dose is 4 days apart? And would it affect blood levels much if i change the time somtime to 3.5..or 3? And MOST importantly will it affect my gains?

    Q2. Would Nolva really affect my gains? Not allow me to gain all i can?

    Q3. If i inject with a 1" pin in my glutes and another time with 1.5" (so it's deeper in the muscle) will this affect my gains in any way? Because i keep hearing "the deeper the better"..but why does it matter if it's all in the muscle anyways?

    Thanks guys i appreciate it.
    1 monday night and thursday will work fine.

    2 10mg novl will not hinder gains. then up to 20mg with pct.

    3 1in or 1.5 will not matter als long as you in the muscle not fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    1 monday night and thursday will work fine.

    2 10mg novl will not hinder gains. then up to 20mg with pct.

    3 1in or 1.5 will not matter als long as you in the muscle not fat
    i got nothin' to add on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    1 monday night and thursday will work fine.
    Thanks for the reply.

    Why the hell does everyone keep telling me Mon/Thu?! I already started LOL, are they magical days or something?..

    Again..i took on Wed and today another shot so my next shot is Wed, my q is will it affect my gains in any way if i take the shots 4days apart instead of 3.5days..? Meaning WED AND SUN instead of like..WED AND SAT?

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    that is fine bro i just like monday i guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    that is fine bro i just like monday i guess



    LOL thanks bro.

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    don't mind Gsxxr, he is just stuck on certain days

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays
    don't mind Gsxxr, he is just stuck on certain days





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    Ideally you would shoot every 3.5 days when doing a 2 injections per week protocol.

    The purpose is to keep blood concentrations as even as possible. One example would be monday morning and thursday night. Of course you can substitute whatever days work better for your schcedule.

    A wednesday / saturday schcedule is less than ideal due to the 3 day / 4 day timing. It has been my experience that the more consistant your dosing the less the severity of the side effects and the greater the gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL




    me? why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL





    hope you dont mean me. i will all over you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    Ideally you would shoot every 3.5 days when doing a 2 injections per week protocol.

    The purpose is to keep blood concentrations as even as possible. One example would be monday morning and thursday night. Of course you can substitute whatever days work better for your schcedule.

    A wednesday / saturday schcedule is less than ideal due to the 3 day / 4 day timing. It has been my experience that the more consistant your dosing the less the severity of the side effects and the greater the gains.

    bro it's test e you could shoot 1 time a week if you wish. just 2 wokes better 3.5 to 4 days wont mean jack shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    hope you dont mean me. i will all over you.
    ya me too

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    Lol i meant gsxxr

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    A wednesday / saturday schcedule is less than ideal due to the 3 day / 4 day timing.
    What does this mean?..What 3 day / 4 day timing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL
    Lol i meant gsxxr
    Gsxxr got on

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL
    Lol i meant gsxxr
    i help yu out and this is what i get. you can kiss my . next time i will make sure no one post in your thread. then your going to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    bro it's test e you could shoot 1 time a week if you wish. just 2 wokes better 3.5 to 4 days wont mean jack shit.
    If 2x a week works better than 1x and you extend that logic. Then the same advantage (only to a lesser degree) would also apply to a every 3.5 days protocol working better than 3days / 4days protocol. Granted, due to the longer half life of the enanthate ester the difference is minimal. However it is my opinion that there is indeed a difference and it is worth mentioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    then your going to be
    Buahahahahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    i help yu out and this is what i get. you can kiss my . next time i will make sure no one post in your thread. then your going to be
    ManOfSteel

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    If 2x a week works better than 1x and you extend that logic. Then the same advantage (only to a lesser degree) would also apply to a every 3.5 days protocol working better than 3days / 4days protocol. Granted, due to the longer half life of the enanthate ester the difference is minimal. However it is my opinion that there is indeed a difference and it is worth mentioning.
    the half life is 10.5 days. 3.5 to 4 12 hours is like nothing. you will see not diff at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL
    What does this mean?..What 3 day / 4 day timing?
    Three days (72hrs.) between wed and sat. Four days (96hrs.) between sat and wed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays
    ManOfSteel

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays
    ManOfSteel

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    Three days (72hrs.) between wed and sat. Four days (96hrs.) between sat and wed.
    Ok i see well its only my first week and my first 2 injections.

    Now to get on track when should i take my next week (2 doses) and WHEN in the day? I took my first on Wed at 19oclock and 2nd on Sun(today) at 16oclock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    the half life is 10.5 days. 3.5 to 4 12 hours is like nothing. you will see not diff at all.
    There is something that I have been wondering about. Perhaps you can shed some light on the subject.

    Why do I keep seeing drastically different half life estimations for enanthate esters and others? I have seen everything from 5-7 day enanthate estimations and the more common 10.5 day estimation. One individual told me that the 10.5 figure was based on a old and innacurate formula? I'm uncertain which figure to believe.

    Thanks for any input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    the half life is 10.5 days. 3.5 to 4 12 hours is like nothing. you will see not diff at all.
    Oh, almost forgot. I'm not trying to be a butt head here, however the difference is actually 24 hrs. because the first gap will be 3 days and the second gap will be 4 days. the difference between 3.5 and 4 is indeed 12 hrs. but the difference between 3 and 4 is 24 hrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    Oh, almost forgot. I'm not trying to be a butt head here, however the difference is actually 24 hrs. because the first gap will be 3 days and the second gap will be 4 days. the difference between 3.5 and 4 is indeed 12 hrs. but the difference between 3 and 4 is 24 hrs.
    I took the first dose on Wed at 19oclock and second dose today at 16oclock so the difference is about 3days and 21hours instead of 3days and 12hours (between Wed and Sun).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL
    Ok i see well its only my first week and my first 2 injections.

    Now to get on track when should i take my next week (2 doses) and WHEN in the day? I took my first on Wed at 19oclock and 2nd on Sun(today) at 16oclock.
    ????

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    10.5 that is why you start pct 14 days after last cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL
    I took the first dose on Wed at 19oclock and second dose today at 16oclock so the difference is about 3days and 21hours instead of 3days and 12hours (between Wed and Sun).
    Thats fine bro. As gsxxr suggests Test E is not hypercritical regarding dose timing. Personally I try and get as close to every 3.5 days as I can without getting to anal about it. Some may suggest that I'm already to anal about it. But what can you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    Thats fine bro. As gsxxr suggests Test E is not hypercritical regarding dose timing. Personally I try and get as close to every 3.5 days as I can without getting to anal about it. Some may suggest that I'm already to anal about it. But what can you do.
    Yea same here as it's my first cycle and i want to do everything right.

    Anyways when do you think i should take my doses next week? What time..etc..to make the difference 3.5days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    Thats fine bro. As gsxxr suggests Test E is not hypercritical regarding dose timing. Personally I try and get as close to every 3.5 days as I can without getting to anal about it. Some may suggest that I'm already to anal about it. But what can you do.
    it is ok to be anal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNofSteeL
    Yea same here as it's my first cycle and i want to do everything right.

    Anyways when do you think i should take my doses next week? What time..etc..to make the difference 3.5days?
    Since you are already on a Wed / Sat schcedule, If possible I would just do Wednesday morning and Saturday evening.

    The only reason I brought this up in the first place is because if I jump around too much on my dosage timings I start getting acne breakouts. This has been my experience. Others may have an entirely different experience.

    I do sincerely hope that my suggestions haven't given you any unwarrented worries.

    Have fun, stay safe.

    ~eGGz~

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    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    Since you are already on a Wed / Sat schcedule, If possible I would just do Wednesday morning and Saturday evening.

    The only reason I brought this up in the first place is because if I jump around too much on my dosage timings I start getting acne breakouts. This has been my experience. Others may have an entirely different experience.

    I do sincerely hope that my suggestions haven't given you any unwarrented worries.

    Have fun, stay safe.

    ~eGGz~
    Thanks for your reply bro i appreciate your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    it is ok to be anal.
    Thanks bro.

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    I am unsure as to why you are running Nolvadex during the cycle. I would use it only if you are experiencing gyno.

    Remember over use of SERM's can create compensation's on the part of your system. When de****g in exogenous substances..I'd stick with the old addage: less is more.

    Furthermore estrogen enhances growth hormone receptors and growth hormone action and is part of the growth process...

    and as long as you're not growing titties... and assuming this is a BULKing cycle... you don't want to modulate it.

    Just my $.02... I'm sure some here will tell you to run SERM's, AI's, and the AID's cocktail throughout the cycle...

    But, you gotta read and decide for yourself.

    Peace.
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    Furthermore estrogen enhances growth hormone receptors and growth hormone action and is part of the growth process...


    i thought this also. but when i started to look into it i was wrong. there is no prof that estrogen hormones help with muscle.


    if you have somthing that said it does i would like to see it.

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