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  1. 08-01-2005, 09:58 PM #1
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    Question How big can you stay off the gear?

    Ive done 2 cycles myself, and want to know how much bigger I can really get and hold that weight with my natty test?
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  2. 08-01-2005, 11:44 PM #2
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    How much muscle do YOU normally retain?
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  3. 08-01-2005, 11:47 PM #3
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    20 lb 2 months after pct
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  4. 08-01-2005, 11:48 PM #4
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    IMO it's an individual event.

    Depends on a lot of variables too.

    Genetics..training...diet..rest...etc. in addition to natty test levels...as these other factors affect natty test levels.

    What do you use when you're off?

    For some, 'off' means slin/igf-1/gh/t3

    For other 'off' means var/prohormones/creatine...

    And for others 'off' means...nothing but food and non-hormonal supps.

    What does 'off' mean to YOU?

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  5. 08-01-2005, 11:51 PM #5
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    off cycle i use, creatine, alot of glutamine, multi, and 320 grams protein daily.
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  6. 08-01-2005, 11:54 PM #6
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    i am just tryin to find out what the average is, i mean i know its an individual thing, but just in order to get an idea, you know what i mean?
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  7. 08-02-2005, 12:45 AM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narkissos
    What does 'off' mean to YOU?

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    to me off means (just)500mg test

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodge nl.
    to me off means (just)500mg test

    -rodge
    see what i mean?
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    lmao (just)...hahaha
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  10. 08-02-2005, 12:54 AM #10
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    off to me means glutamin 300+g protein daily
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  11. 08-02-2005, 12:57 AM #11
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    but back to the question - how big could i get based on the average, with no juice to maintain the weight.
    im 220 5,11 12%bf
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  12. 08-02-2005, 12:58 AM #12
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    'off' to me means slin...and using slin...i retain AND gain.
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    wots your stats narkissos?
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    i have gained about 10lbs naturally since my first cycle that ended in Oct...and by the way I was a dumbass and had a crappy/no pct..so took awhile to get back to normal test
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    Quote Originally Posted by catlovesfood
    wots your stats narkissos?
    I'm 5'5"

    Offseason.. i'm around 200 lbs at about 10% BF

    I compete in the 170-175 range
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  16. 08-02-2005, 01:28 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narkissos
    'off' to me means slin...and using slin...i retain AND gain.
    What i should say is that i use slin mini cycles between cycles... I don't really use gear... I may run one short duration, low-moderate dose, cycle per year.
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    I may do two-three contests per year... and 2 out of three of 'em will be drug-tested...so i generally can't run longer cycles
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    off means slin/igf ...and i also gain..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latimus
    off means slin/igf ...and i also gain..
    oh yeh, i forgot those.

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    keep the protein + calories high and clean
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