Is it safe/smart to go with QV if it's more readily available? Or is there any particular reason against it?
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Is it safe/smart to go with QV if it's more readily available? Or is there any particular reason against it?
I've gotten much better results from human grade gear, and have more confidence that it is sterile and accurately dosed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboy60
If you only have access to QV, if you get a good batch you won't be disappointed. I have always felt QV was hit or miss, but I did like their prop before I had access to virormones.
I have never had a problem with vet grade. EVERYONE i know uses vet grade and has never had a fake eccept for SYD group primo. But othere then that everything has been great.
same here, all i have used the past 2 years was qv....iim happy with the results
i prefer human grade but vet will do just as well.
I wish i could get ahold of human grade. I know alot of people who use gear but none of my friends have tried it or can get ahold of it. I would def. love to try it if i could get ahold of it.
I would choose human grade over vet grade everytime. The only probs are cost, availability, and most human grade needs to be shipped from overseas so customs gets involved.
QV overdoses their gear. Their are no sterility issue b/c of the ba in the injectables none of my friends have ever had any problems with QV, My friend was running QV EQ in a cycle and ran out and had some BD EQ, and BD EQ he had to almost double the dose to get the same effect.
In fact most of the complaints come from the pain in some of their injectables often times this pain is due to their being a slightly higher concentration of ba than most human grade.
And I don’t get why people go on about the ……. “well surely human grade has more effective delivery system for their orals” I’m not talking about andriol here,
if you look at the inactive ingredients of a human grade gear say BTG Oxandrin and QV Oxavet you will see that they are quite similar. An androgen is an androgen and orals are all made by similar processes I think, I think its mostly they use pressure and soluble binders such as cellulose, silica, glycerin……….. things of this nature.
Vet= For animals
Human Grade= For Humans
Simple as that.
If you cant figure out which one your better off with, i cant help you.
if you can get human grade you alwas run that. the only time i would run vet would be if i cat get what i need in human.
Ide rather have QV bold dosed at 216.80 mg/ml, than BD bold @ 150mg/ml any day
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-005 July 2005 194.80 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-006 August 2005 193.00 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-007 October 2005 204.20 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-008 December 2005 199.50 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-009 February 2006 202.00 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-010 February 2006 205.70 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-011 April 2006 200.60 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-012 July 2006 202.15 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-013 November 2006 211.55 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-014 December 2006 191.10 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-015 April 2007 191.70 mg/ml
Bold QV 200 10 ml bottle QVB-016 August 2007 196.35 mg/ml
Deca QV 200 50 ml bottle QVD-2-004 February 2006 198.00 mg/ml
Deca QV 200 50 ml bottle QVD-2-005 March 2006 216.80 mg/ml
Deca QV 200 50 ml bottle QVD-2-006 April 2006 213.76 mg/ml
Deca QV 200 50 ml bottle QVD-2-007 March 2007 213.55 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-007 May 2005 299.19 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-008 July 2005 320.00 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-009 July 2005 303.20 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-010 September 2005 302.21 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-011 November 2005 310.70 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-012 December 2005 304.60 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-013 February 2006 295.35 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-014 March 2006 306.90 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-015 March 2006 303.60 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-016 April 2006 306.60 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-017 July 2006 288.87 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-018 September 2006 327.65 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-019 November 2006 310.00 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-020 December 2006 320.55 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-021 January 2007 328.00 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-022 April 2007 304.90 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-023 May 2007 300.90 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-024 June 2007 302.50 mg/ml
Deca QV 300 10 ml bottle QVD-3-025 August 2007 299.85 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-005 May 2005 255.85 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-006 June 2005 255.05 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-007 July 2005 250.10 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-008 July 2005 253.48 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-009 September 2005 251.70 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-010 October 2005 254.00 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-011 November 2005 249.00 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-012 January 2006 232.74 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-013 March 2006 256.52 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-014 April 2006 253.76 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-015 June 2006 254.33 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-016 July 2006 244.61 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-017 August 2006 235.95 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-018 September 2006 250.51 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-019 November 2006 250.31 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-020 December 2006 252.45 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-021 February 2007 254.45 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-022 April 2007 249.09 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-023 May 2007 253.07 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-024 June 2007 256.33 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 10 ml bottle QVE-025 July 2007 241.77 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-005 July 2005 250.06 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-006 September 2005 250.72 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-007 October 2005 249.00 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-008 November 2005 248.71 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-009 January 2006 232.74 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-010 April 2006 252.46 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-011 July 2006 249.25 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-012 August 2006 233.26 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-013 September 2006 248.53 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-014 February 2007 254.45 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-015 April 2007 249.00 mg/ml
Enantat QV 250 50 ml bottle QVE-016 August 2007 250.52 mg/ml
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-001 December 2005 10.08 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-002 February 2006 10.60 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-003 February 2006 10.44 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-004 May 2006 10.69 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-005 June 2006 9.98 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-006 June 2006 10.79 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-007 June 2006 10.30 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-008 August 2006 10.26 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-009 September 2006 10.78 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-010 September 2006 10.83 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-011 October 2006 10.75 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-012 October 2006 9.11 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-013 October 2006 9.06 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-014 February 2007 10.06 mg/tab
Metavet QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTMTA-015 March 2007 10.84 mg/tab
Metenol QV 50 50 tab bottle QVTMET-001 December 2005 50.01 mg/tab
Metenol QV 50 50 tab bottle QVTMET-002 February 2006 50.10 mg/tab
Metenol QV 50 50 tab bottle QVTMET-003 March 2006 51.04 mg/tab
Metenol QV 50 50 tab bottle QVTMET-004 January 2007 52.66 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-001 December 2005 5.06 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-002 January 2006 5.04 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-003 February 2006 5.08 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-004 March 2006 4.25 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-005 March 2006 5.06 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-006 April 2006 5.05 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-007 April 2006 5.04 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-008 May 2006 5.11 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-009 May 2006 5.01 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-010 June 2006 4.68 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-011 June 2006 4.90 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-012 July 2006 5.02 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-013 July 2006 4.91 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-014 July 2006 4.92 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-015 August 2006 4.92 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-016 September 2006 5.04 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-017 September 2006 4.80 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-018 September 2006 4.86 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-019 September 2006 4.82 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-020 October 2006 5.04 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-021 October 2006 4.81 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-022 November 2006 4.90 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-023 November 2006 5.03 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-024 January 2007 5.09 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-025 February 2007 5.52 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-026 February 2007 5.37 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-027 February 2007 5.38 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-028 February 2007 5.35 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-029 February 2007 5.36 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-030 February 2007 5.86 mg/tab
Oxavet QV 5 100 tab bottle QVTOXA-031 February 2007 5.88 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-001 December 2005 75.09 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-002 December 2005 74.93 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-003 December 2005 75.46 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-004 January 2006 76.48 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-005 February 2006 77.36 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-006 March 2006 74.59 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-007 April 2006 73.13 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-008 April 2006 73.38 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-009 April 2006 79.90 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-010 May 2006 79.13 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-011 May 2006 80.16 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-012 June 2006 79.45 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-013 July 2006 76.70 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-014 July 2006 74.83 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-015 August 2006 70.60 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-016 August 2006 77.50 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-017 August 2006 78.75 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-018 August 2006 76.40 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-019 August 2006 78.27 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-020 September 2006 77.03 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-021 September 2006 78.64 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-022 October 2006 76.15 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-023 October 2006 77.65 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-024 December 2007 78.25 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-025 December 2007 76.10 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-026 January 2007 74.79 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-027 February 2007 75.56 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-028 February 2007 76.86 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-029 March 2007 77.53 mg/tab
Oxivet QV 75 100 tab bottle QVTOXI-030 April 2007 70.78 mg/tab
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-004 June 2005 100.80 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-005 October 2005 101.13 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-006 November 2005 101.34 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-007 January 2006 103.84 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-008 April 2006 103.19 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-009 September 2006 105.62 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-010 January 2007 97.68 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-011 March 2007 104.86 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-012 May 2007 103.86 mg/ml
Propionat QV 100 10 ml bottle QVP-013 June 2007 100.40 mg/ml
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-001 December 2005 10.08 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-002 January 2006 10.59 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-003 January 2006 10.16 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-004 February 2006 10.79 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-005 March 2006 10.53 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-006 May 2006 10.80 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-007 June 2006 10.27 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-008 July 2006 10.40 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-009 August 2006 10.41 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-010 August 2006 10.41 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-011 August 2006 10.68 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-012 September 2006 10.66 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-013 September 2006 9.86 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-014 September 2006 10.70 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-015 October 2006 9.89 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-016 November 2006 10.98 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-017 November 2006 10.84 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-018 November 2006 10.65 mg/tab
Stan QV 10 100 tab bottle QVTST-019 March 2007 10.89 mg/tab
Stan QV 100 20 ml bottle QVS-1-005 February 2007 100.30 mg/ml
Stan QV 100 20 ml bottle QVS-1-006 June 2007 100.80 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-003 November 2005 52.20 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-004 December 2005 51.70 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-005 March 2006 51.40 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-006 May 2006 47.80 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-007 August 2006 49.80 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-008 October 2006 51.06 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-009 January 2007 52.00 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-010 June 2007 49.27 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-011 June 2007 52.25 mg/ml
Stan QV 50 20 ml bottle QVS-5-012 July 2007 52.50 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-005 August 2005 196.18 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-006 October 2005 200.96 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-007 December 2005 199.32 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-008 January 2006 204.76 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-009 March 2006 214.08 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-010 August 2006 200.38 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-011 January 2007 156.87 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-012 March 2007 210.71 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-013 April 2007 203.16 mg/ml
Teston QV 200 10 ml bottle QVT-014 August 2007 209.39 mg/ml
Trembolona QV 75 10 ml bottle QVTB-001 June 2005 76.43 mg/ml
Trembolona QV 75 10 ml bottle QVTB-002 July 2005 79.31 mg/ml
Trembolona QV 75 10 ml bottle QVTB-003 February 2006 74.37 mg/ml
Trembolona QV 75 10 ml bottle QVTB-004 April 2006 75.68 mg/ml
Trembolona QV 75 10 ml bottle QVTB-005 July 2006 75.10 mg/ml
Trembolona QV 75 10 ml bottle QVTB-006 October 2006 74.75 mg/ml
Trembolona QV 75 10 ml bottle QVTB-007 April 2007 76.89 mg/ml
Plain and simple, vet gear can be extremly effective.........and can stand up to many 'human grade' products.
it is not the dose it's how sterile it is
Ohh sorry I misinterpreted,
As far as that goes, no one that uses QV I know has ever had infections. But of course there are other brands of vet gear.
Is this why sometimes there is pain and sometimes there is no pain. (refering to QVtes-e250) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gsxxr
Qv is easy for me to get and I get good results from it check out quality vet web site and check the batch numbers and dates on the products.
whats your comment on OXIVET QV 75mg per tab, 2 a day for 6 weeks:shrug:
I know some guys who use vet grade for million dollar horses, there is nothing wrong as long as you get it from reputable sources, QV is great, I put on 20 lbs in 14 weeks on qv products, think about it, there not going to be careless when it comes to givin this stuff to million dollar thorough bread horses, the stuff is as sterile as human grade imho
I was just wondering how is it easier to get QV vs human ..AC
QV gear is mostly from mexico and domestic places, while Human grade is from overseas.
pointless:chairshotQuote:
Originally Posted by bubblehead
Human grade or vet grade, they are basically the same thing depending on how accurate the dosage. Your gains will depend mostly on diet, rest, and training.
I used pakistani sust from organon got decent results but when i switched to loeffler crap sust (or so i was told) i started getting even better gains this could be for a million reasons but id say vet is just fine
Please explain Testosterona:rolleyes:
You should start a thread rather than hijacking the current one is what I took from it.
and what might you be taking BIGBOY????????????????????????????:bbbump:Quote:
Originally Posted by bubblehead
QV is decent. If it is what you have...use it-use it smartly.Use the Ed-Threads for assistance. Lots of folks worry about Mexi-Vet gear due to issues with sterility...I have used QV many times w/no problems..no abcesses.
What have you used ?????????????:haha:
You're a strange one.
My stuff was half a paycheckQuote:
Originally Posted by bubblehead
9 more useless posts and you can PM, go get em.
HEY Im just looking for what works :1welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
They both work, it just depends on what you have access to. If you can get one for half the price as the other then go with that, again (Training, diet, rest) will make the biggest difference, not the brand of juice.
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Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
Thank You!!!!
OK:7up: