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how is this...
d-bol wk 1-4
prop wk 1-12
primo wk1-11
that is the compounds i am thinking of now but I could throw in some var(but that would be 2 methyl aa's which most say is a no-no
test suspension is another option to throw in there(maybe put it in toward the end of the cycle??)
tren is also has a 5 wk detection time
bump....
I have seen different detection times for tren. Most detection charts I have seen, list it for 5 months, although, I have heard that tren ace can only be detected for 5 weeks. The thought has crossed my mind to run it, but I haven't decided it was worth risking yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatman51
I wouldnt risk Primo personally on a short detection time unless your using the tabs
bro this cycle dose not make any sence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatman51
you hould do somthing like this
1-3 t-bol
1-12 test prop
4-12 var
this is going to be hell on the live so you need to run milk thisler
What doesnt make sense about this cycle? 12 weeks of running orals doesnt make sense to me even if they are considered lower in terms of toxicity
Doesn't really make sense to me either. He is running dbol early in the cycle (as a kickstart, obviously), then he adds primo at the end. So is he trying to bulk then cut in the same cycle? I would either run dbol and prop or prop and var depending on what you are trying to accomplish.
Primo is being run from week 1 to 11!
Test prop with var a cycle with detection of 4weeks tops.
You're right, my mistake. But he is still running a bulker and a cutter at the same time. If he doesn't want to bulk maybe a better choice would be:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigun
1-4 tbol
1-12 prop
1-11 primo
Good strength gains without big weight gains.
Some have said that that detection time for tren a is a typo- that it is 5 weeks and not 5 months. Tren a is very short estered.
It's a short ester...but the metabolites are detectable for 3 months post-injection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Bird
Because it is short estered doesn't mean automatically that it is fast clearing.
e.g. Nandolone Phenylpropionate (NPP)
Use that and try to pass a drug test shortly after and see what i'm talking about :no:...short story...you WON'T pass
Personally i'd run just the test-prop for 12 weeks...then PCTQuote:
Originally Posted by Squatman51
What sort of drug-tested event are you entering?
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Originally Posted by Narkissos
Lol, well thats what I originally thought might be the case. But Ive never seen before anyone mention anything about tren metabolites. Where did you come by this info if you dont mind me asking?
I assumed it was standard knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Bird
Most drugs must pass through the liver...which is the site of most drug metabolism.
Drug tests (at least atheletic drug tests) test generally for the metabolites formed post-ingestion/injection.
Actually...atheletic drug tests are multi-faceted: they test for metabolites... temperature of urine...and testosterone/epi-test ratio.
Yes but metabolites of some compounds pass in and out quickly. Masteron, primo, and orals are good examples of this. Sure you hear about deca and equi having long disapating metabolites but I havent myself heard any thing on the metabolites of tren. The nature of metabolites may be standard knowledge, but the nature of tren's metabolites is not standard knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Narkissos
well my goal is to bulk so i guess my best bet would be d-bol and prop
Suspension is great for bulking. You might consider For the first 4-6 weeks suspension and then change over to prop. Yeah tren is risky, although I myself have only heard of one person failing for tren and he used within a week of testing. Tren is bad for your endurance though anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatman51
Multiple pieces of literature...but the closest to hand is our very own AR-ProfileQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Bird
Found at: http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...53&postcount=1
In addition... Click here
Thanks. Yes I read this. Could you clarify though what exactly makes the metabolites more like deca than say masteron?
Niether of these pieces of litterature go into detail about tren's metabolites. Each only states simply a detection time.
Its confusing because most boards say tren is 5 months. And then you have some boards claiming that the 5 months was a typo and its actually 5 weeks. Id believe hooker's profile over all the rest but like i said the detection time for tren is not common knowledge because there is too much confusion and unrest over it.
I would like to see someone figure this out. I know people personally who were tested less than 5 months after they took tren and they didn't test positive (of course there are some rumors that NCAA doesn't test for tren so that might be the reason).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Bird
Made me dig: http://www.wisc.edu/fri/briefs/hormone.pdf
here's a cattle study...
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/1384.htm ...tests for two tren metabolites at the 1 month mark..
Kinda vague:J AOAC Int. 2003 Sep-Oct;86(5):916-24.: http://www.coachsos.com/common/citat...icsteroids.asp
tren metabolites:Trenbolone and it's metabolites in human urine byGC/MS analysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...900&query_hl=4
Some ancillary reading: Trebolone post-excretion...environmetal effects:
http://www.epa.gov/nheerl/publicatio...eport_1202.pdf
I understand now why you asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Bird
There're differing opinions on Tren's detectability...and the duration of the detection of it's metabolites...this is namely because there's so much info out there...and at the same time not enough.
I found a lot of studies on the metabolites but a lot are inconclusive at best...or branch off on a tangent.
Personally i wouldn't risk using it on the short term just to dispute/disprove the pre-stated opinions on it's detectability.
Just IMO
~Nark
Hope the links supplied are good reading...there were quite a few more...there was one noting detectability in cattle tissue of up to 25 weeks...but i didn't think it applicable here...it was post-slaughter.
There're also studies that show tren...once excreted in urine/faeces is still biologically active for a very very long time.
Again i didn't think those were applicable here
Dark_Bird..i was hoping you'd respond before i left...i gotta scoot offline now tho :( ...time for the gym
Bump this thread for me if you find any related info...I'm always interested in reading anything new.
Thanks
~Nark
I appreciate the work Narkissos. Thanks for digging some stuff up on this topic for us.