Any body knows how the western Union money transfer works? and were can I go to do it in the US?
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Any body knows how the western Union money transfer works? and were can I go to do it in the US?
If you have a credit card, do it on line. Otherwise, let your fingers do the walking.Quote:
Originally Posted by schico28
Just go to any Western Union outlet you can find & as long as you have the name of the person & the city/country you want to wire the money to, its easy as that. The person there will walk you through it. I find its the best way..
Check your phonebook to find an agent.
whoa... not for buying gear i wouldnt.. paper trail my friend.. Go to the local grocery stores they usually do it.. NO ID usually depending on amount or when its sent..Quote:
Originally Posted by znak
I wouldn't worry about a paper trail. Typically, you wire money to John Doe in Zimbabwe and you get a package for Peter Miller from Berlin. They have shells and cut out inside their organization to protect themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deezuhl
ok.. typically your credit card has your name attached to it with your mailing address and your IP thru your computer could be logged also.. what do i know..Quote:
Originally Posted by znak
They can trace your card and address to John Doe and can trace your IP to Peter Miller. They have to trace John Doe to Peter Miller to close the loop, which is not going to happen for a couple hundred bucks, because there is normally at least one person between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deezuhl
I agree that caution is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by schico28
Wow you didn't even try did you? :bb1google "western union" and call the 1-800 number? man... :nutkick:
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hmm.. doesnt john doe's card have john doe's address linked to it?? the package can say peter miller but they will be doing a controlled delivery to john doe residence regardless.. the name means nothign when they come to your door and hand it to you. to inconvenience yourself by leaving the house to make a WU transfer is worth not having extra evindence when you get caught. Just my .02Quote:
Originally Posted by znak
don't do the online thing. it is just another way to get caught. go to a local WU (can be found in many grocery stores, ect) and send funds under a fake name, fake street, but real city and state. if you don't want them to check the reciever's id then fill out the test question area. make sure that you tell them that you filled out the test question. make sure your reciever knows the info that you gave.
You missed my point. You pay A and B send you the gear. There is no tie between A snd B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deezuhl
For example, you literally wire the money to Germany, but the gear is sent from Holland. Where is the connection?
there is no need for a connection...if they know you ordered gear then they will try a cd. they don't care who it's from, they will just be after you for accepting the package.Quote:
Originally Posted by znak
the connection is when an international delivery comes in they can watch for it if that source that is sending you shit is under watch.. Lets put it simple.. why give them any chance of finding out who you are and where you are sending money of you dont have to. its a simple trip to the grocery store. who wants to be in court and the procescution tell you how you got busted and you say " damn how did they knwo that". common sense in my opinion when do things illegal to not leave a trail not even 1 breadcrumb.. Were not exactly buying vitamin c pills here..Quote:
Originally Posted by znak
you know who could comment more ont hsi and i know hell be in here for sure if buff87 hes always on top of legal issue..
Deezuhl is dead on about using the WU online system with a credit card...
Say they are watching your source international or domestic... You use
your credit card to send funds by Western Union and maybe they have
traced the pack to you and do a Controlled Delivery... Now did you know
Western Union has a Fraud Dept that is more then happy to work with the
Feds on issues including money laundering and use of WU for transfer of
funds for other illegal activities?
Well now if they pull your credit card records, which is easy enuf for them
to do they will have record of your Western Union transfer and would have
more proof that you sent payment for something, say if it's international,
looks like you might have more explaining to do... I see you sent payment
to China a few weeks back Mr Joe Blow? What was that for and do you
have contact info for your friend or associate so we can verify what it
was for? You think they don't know how it all works? You just provided
one more piece of evidence for them that way...
Point is be safer, walk your ass down to a WU agent and do it that way... :)
hey buff, since they have a fraud dept should you still use a fake name/address? If you use a real one do they keep it on their records?
They have to many transfer ED to worry about small things. The WU Fraud Dept is more for large level activity. Without getting into it to much, Joe Blow doing a regualar transfer is probably never looked at... Yeah they keep it on record for a period of time, but your not exactly the kind of people they are looking for... Just using a credit card is crazy... No reason to leave a record of doing it that way...
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Originally Posted by 8-MAN
1) Jillions of dollars when to Thailand for the Tsunami Relief FundsQuote:
Originally Posted by buff87
2) Donating is not illegal and does not have to be documented.
3) Many countries (among them Russia) will not let you use WU without ID.
That said, it is obviously better to err on the side of caution, but the chances of anyone using the resources that it would take to track down $300 donation are so close to zero that it is unreal.
If you KNOW that there are cutouts, the risk is small. Proof that you sent money to country A is pretty much circumstantial. For a small package, they want a good solid EASY case to prosecute, unless the initial contact with the suspect leads the LEO to believe that he will fess up with a little bit of pressure. They can't go after the source, so they don't worry about busting the little guy to roll up the big supplier.
I myself would not use a CC to pay WU, but that is just because it is almost as easy to just pay cash at a WU counter and I like to minimize risk when possible, even tiny little risks. This is a decision that the individual must make, in full consideration of the circumstances of the deal. Watch out for CDs is the main thing and try to get shipping from countries that are not hot.
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I'd like to be as close to zero as possible.. with that said sheer laziness of not going to a local grocery store here in the US is not worth having to pay 5-10k for an attorney.Quote:
Originally Posted by znak
That about sums it up perfect... The only reason to sit on your ass and
do it from a computer with your credit card is because you're to lazy to
drive down to a WU agent and do it the right way...
Some people just never want to listen bro... You know I agree with you
100%
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Originally Posted by Deezuhl
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Originally Posted by buff87
thanks bro.. I knew you would be in on this post like swolecat on Vida..LOL
Shit I'm in one this Like I'd be on Vida... lol :D
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Originally Posted by Deezuhl
Or they live in a country that requires ID to use WU. Then they need to understand if the source is using cutouts to protect their clients. Not everyone in the world lives in America. (Unfortunately)Quote:
Originally Posted by buff87
Thanks for the comments, you guys have a good point I use my CC to make my 1st order, I regret it.is too late now but next time I'll use the WU walk in, no CC just cash I hope they dont ask for my ID, in case I'm not taking my ID to pretent I forgot it. I hope my distribuitor make an exception with my fake name and address. Thnks. Ohhh And I'll probably use the name of my worst enemy so he can get busted Hahaha
- Guys, this is not at all how the police work!
If you wire money to, say, Russia, there is NO agency watching that transaction. The only way to get busted is when the package comes across the border.
If it has a return address that is flagged (I'd think the sender would randomly change the return address or something) or if they open it and find gear, then there are problems.
Most likely they will just send you a seizure letter. It is POSSIBLE they'd to a CD but not very darn likely unless you had enough to supply the entire NFL. The police are not going to take the time and manpower to do a CD for personal use stuff. And even then there is an easy way to get around a CD. I can quote you the case law if you'd like.
It is for the above reason I do not see why an overseas source would not just take a credit card directly. I mean, it isn't illegal for them to sell to us... its just illegal for us to have the stuff once it comes into our possession. So they should have no worries.
Worst case they get busted (remember, they are overseas) and shut down. Then IF the US feds got the customer base info they could back track. But think about it... no matter where/how you order it has to come to you. So there is likely a record one way or the other. And even then the feds would know you are a user... AND THEY DON'T CARE!
Feds are after SUPPLIERS not personal users.
Now if there is somebody here that has been busted and disagrees w/ me I'd love to hear from you via email. [email protected]
God are you out of touch with how things work...
There's doumented cases of guys getting popped with personal
amounts of steriods where they stake out a PO Box or have a
warrant issued for a home address for what is nothing more then
a pack containing personal amounts...
And BTW it is illegal for someone in a foreign country to send any
drugs into the United States if those drugs are controlled and are
illegal here... Just do a search on the recent bust with the Mexican
Vet Companies and that'll point a few things out to you... That's
why anyone taking a credit card is just stupid and reckless and it
should NEVER BE done...
Plus credit cards will always be an easy way to trace your activities..
ever wonder why when someone is missing or on the run one of the
first things LE does is run a trace for all their credit card activity?
Why do anything that makes it easier to prove you broke the Law??
WU also works with Feds on money laundering issues and other illegal
activities, so transfers are watched if the amounts being transferred
to someone is larger and regular enough to draw attention to it...
Sorry but you're way off with how things really work... Sounds like
you think you have some law background and you might, but you are
very naive with how things Really Work
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That's find if you can lose that yahoo one and get a secure email account...
Just PM it to me once you do... :)
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Originally Posted by Copperhead947
Buff, I sent you am email from here. Not asking questions or expecting a reply, so don't be afraid to read it. Just sharing some personal info w/ ya! Might all be stuff you already know, might not. But just wanted to share it.
Later!
Your right D, and use your real name in case of problem with WU, I had it happen and had to show ID to resolve. Was a bitch, finally sweet talked some fat chick in letting it go!!!:lol:You cant get in trouble for sending a source $$$, tell them he was selling a computer on ebay, its recieving the package you have to worry about. By the way, I hate WU, pain in the ass where I come from.:icon_pissQuote:
Originally Posted by Deezuhl
I'm all for a good convo... I'll check it out... ;)
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Originally Posted by Copperhead947
Not exactly true, it depends on the amount of money. Western Union (money transmitter), check cashing places (currency exchanger/dealer), stores that sell money orders (money service business), etc. are considered financial institutions. Depending on the type of institution and method of transmission federally mandated recordkeeping kicks in at $1000 or $3000. This means you have to produce id and your info will be on file for 5 years. For more info on such things check out Title 31 (Anti-Money Laundering) at IRS.govQuote:
If you wire money to, say, Russia, there is NO agency watching that transaction.
If they can prove you ordered the item in question your done, the CD is only icing on the cake. If they don’t have proof and attempt to snag you w/ a CD it is possible to beat it, BUT, you really need to be on your game. This becomes especially interesting if there is a wife/gf or kids involved. Something about cops swarming the house or kicking the door in really shakes em up good.Quote:
And even then there is an easy way to get around a CD.
What should and does worry such individuals is the financial institution they are utilizing. On many occasions accounts are closed, funds seized, and further transactions banned.Quote:
It is for the above reason I do not see why an overseas source would not just take a credit card directly. I mean, it isn't illegal for them to sell to us... its just illegal for us to have the stuff once it comes into our possession. So they should have no worries.
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