08-09-2005, 07:46 AM #1
test - low dosage vs. high dosage
if i got it correctly
the higher dosage of test, the more gain ull obtain, and more fat loss
any dosage of test will shut you down the same.... meaning the recovery, and keeping gain should be similar (im not sure about this)
estrogenic-side effect can be minimize by anti-e's
so why are people recommending me to take low dosage of test, when it does the same harm, with less benefit, when comparing to higher dosage??
second cycle, 50 mg /ed
wanting to bump it to 75mg ed
08-09-2005, 08:13 AM #2Originally Posted by russia dog
....from what I have experienced, higher dosages of test will shut you down harder and the recovery will be more prolonged and drawn-out. I just finished a cycle of 200mg. test cyp / week and 75 mg. Tren EOD with Superdrol 20mg. / day for six weeks. Gains were steady but the water retention was minimal and I was very impressed with the strength gains. I was trying to cut up a bit so my weight actually went down but the mirror told me I was on the right track. I did not have the libido issues and nut-busting problems I had on previous cycles where I was using 400 and 500 mg. of test weekly. I am steadily embracing the paradigm that low dosages of test are merely to maintain sexual potency and other AAS are the primary methodology for strength and muscle gain. PCT was also a snap using Nolva only. I rebounded much more quickly on this cycle.
Of course, if sheer mass is your goal, then high test makes sense, as it will cause you to retain a lot of water intracellularly, which makes it easier to heft a lot of weight. However, the trade-off is that you will nedd much more in the way of anti-estrogens to counteract the estrogen release from the test. Also, you may run into libido and nut-busting issues (check the boards to see how widespead this is).
My two cents.
08-09-2005, 08:28 AM #3Originally Posted by Duck of Death
this is bcause all the gains in muscle and fat loss were from the tren and superdrol NOT the test. the cyp was only working at full strength for 2 weeks and then u ended it not a very good cycle if u ask me.
u also didn't have the labido issues recovering like with your other test cycle merely because u only ran this cycle for 6 weeks
also i didn't know taking test at a high dose will make u maintain alot of water? that's news to me!
SO I GUESS MY 200MG TEST PROP/DAY/1400MG/WK ISN'T SUCH A HIGH DOSE AFTER ALL! IT CAN'T BE BECAUSE I'M NOT BLOATED ...RIGHT??
bottom line is...when u don't know what ur talking about...don't talk at all.
08-09-2005, 08:42 AM #4
A beginner with his diet and training squared away will make awesome gains on 500mg or even less of test. Aside from the reasons to use a low or moderate dose cycle in the beginning, there simply is not enough reason TO use higher doses. Use what you need to make the gains you could not otherwise have made. When you can no longer make decent gains on 500mg test stacked with 400mg of something else, THAT is the time to spend the bucks for bigger cycles with the additional ancilliaries.
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08-09-2005, 09:15 AM #5Originally Posted by flabbywussy
08-09-2005, 09:31 AM #6Originally Posted by Duck of Death
it is your opinion, so when u give advice that ur not SURE of ,make sure u post that it's YOUR opinion.
THESE BOARDS ARE ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE GOOD ADVICE BASED ON FACTS.
when u give someone (newbies) advice they tend to take it as fact, so at least do a little research first b4 u give your advice.
think about it .....if everyone gave advice on experiences first hand without researching then this site would be garbage. not everyone reacts the same to different compounds
Last edited by flabbywussy; 08-09-2005 at 09:33 AM.
08-09-2005, 09:45 AM #7Originally Posted by flabbywussy
...One more time, sir. I posted "from my experience" before my post, and "My two cents" at the bottom. This should serve to notify all who read it that it is my opinion, correct?? Secondly, you did not answer my question as to the source of bloat when on higher doses of test. Is it not water?? Thirdly, I could not agree with you more that all of us will not react the same way to different compounds and dosages. This is why your dogma about "facts" is not a reason to condemn another's post for reporting his or her experience. Furthermore, I have done plenty of "research" in professional school and after when you were probably too young to write. And finally, your condescending and insulting attitude does nothing to further the aims and goals of those of us who are trying to conduct intelligent and non-judgemental discussion. Grow up and stop flipping fingers. To disagree is one thing, to insult is quite another.
08-09-2005, 11:37 AM #8
hmmmmmm i dunt see a clear answer
08-09-2005, 01:01 PM #9Originally Posted by russia dog
Look dude its all about your goals and cycle experience...if you want to put on 25lbs and big strength gains do 500mg/wk for 12 wks. If you are looking for more moderate gains 10-15 lbs then maybe 300mg a week would be good. It is all going to depend on what you need. No matter what dose you run you will be shut down and need pct.
08-09-2005, 02:20 PM #10Junior Member
Originally Posted by Samson7
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Sure I could have done 200-300mg/wk but as Samson7 said, the gains would be moderate probably would have only gained around 10lbs by now.
The key to the lock is your DIET!
08-09-2005, 02:35 PM #11Originally Posted by cannibal
great point forgot to state the importance of diet and rest no matter how many mgs/wk you are taking
09-12-2005, 12:49 AM #12New Member
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Loss of libido
I Have been on a dose of 200mg test cyp for about 10 weeks and after 2nd week i have had to battle with erections and sex drive wich was very srrong prior to this course.
i am 42 years old ..any suggestions....
09-12-2005, 02:12 AM #13Originally Posted by Duck of Death
09-12-2005, 02:18 AM #14Originally Posted by Duck of Death
09-12-2005, 02:21 AM #15Originally Posted by cannibal
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