16 Week Crazy Cutter .... critique

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-09-2005, 09:04 PM

This is what i have planned for myself starting in September ..... let me know what u guys think ... goin with low doses, wanna see how that works for me

Prop 1-15 50mg ED
T-bol 1-6 50mg ED
EQ 1-12 400mg
Var 8-15 50mg ED

Nolva 1-15 10mg ED (on hand)
L-Dex 1-15 .25mg ED (on hand)

Pheedno's PCT
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Low Carb - High Protein Diet ... along the lines of the Cutting Sticky
Cardio 5 days a week

***G-1000*** · 08-09-2005, 09:08 PM

i would only run the t-bol 1-4. i would also start the eq from the start.

the rest looks good to me

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-09-2005, 09:10 PM

any reason for the tbol and eq ???

***G-1000*** · 08-09-2005, 09:16 PM

no need for that long or a run with the t-bol. even know it gives less water bloat the d-bol it still bloats you. the 4 week jump start is more then enugh.

the eq takes 4 to 5 weeks before it's kicked in all the way. so get the 1 week jump start on it it will help at the end.

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-09-2005, 09:25 PM

yeah .... i hear what ur saying ... good idea on the tbol ... think i might try that

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-09-2005, 10:22 PM

anyone else have any input ?

**chest6** · 08-09-2005, 10:39 PM

I like it besides the 8 weeks of tbol. Change it to 4 possibly 5. Also start the EQ at week 1, i dont see the idea of starting it a week late. Basically what gsxxr said
I like the pct and the anti-e setup..

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-09-2005, 10:43 PM

ok .. changed it up ... im starting to like this way better too ... gonna use the T-bol as a jumpstart .... im expecting some good lean gains with this

**chest6** · 08-09-2005, 10:51 PM

might want to use slightly more nolva during the tbol to keep bloat down..doesnt really matter i guess just a thought...or u could just increase after u see bloat

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-09-2005, 11:01 PM

yeah ... im gonna be running l-dex too so it shouldnt be too bad ... but i can always bump up the dosage

**chest6** · 08-09-2005, 11:08 PM

ya i doubt u will get any running both..esp ldex..let us know how it goes

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-09-2005, 11:22 PM

yeah def will do .... gonna be a long project

anyone else have any input ?

**Bigun** · 08-10-2005, 12:30 AM

QStorm, I ran a very similar stack over the past few months. My stack was

1-16 100mg prop ed
1-14 600mg eq week
1-6 60mg tbol
11-16 60mg var

It was a pretty good cycle, not my best, loads of vascularity and I have retained 75% of my lbm gains. Recovery is taking its time though in terms of PCT

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Bigun

QStorm, I ran a very similar stack over the past few months. My stack was

1-16 100mg prop ed
1-14 600mg eq week
1-6 60mg tbol
11-16 60mg var

It was a pretty good cycle, not my best, loads of vascularity and I have retained 75% of my lbm gains. Recovery is taking its time though in terms of PCT

what did u start at ... what did u finish at ... how was the var at the end of the cycle ?? ... and what did u think of the t-bol ?

**Bigun** · 08-10-2005, 01:40 AM

Hmm I am not sure what my start/finish weight was as I was 19stone natural so my weight fluctuates a hell of a lot day to day because of water and good levels. I think tbol is very comparable to var, I hit my best bench on the tbol. I love both orals to be honest and wouldnt use anything else.

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 01:48 AM

did u gain any water weight from the T-Bol ?

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 02:42 AM

should i expect a lot of water weight from the T-Bol ???

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 04:53 AM

bump for more advice

**Bigun** · 08-10-2005, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by QuieTSToRM33

did u gain any water weight from the T-Bol ?

Nothing noticeable, I usually run 700mg of prop a week so at least that is consistent so I would be able to see any water retention changes. Muscles actually felt very hard like var makes them feel

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 05:28 AM

ok cool ... i cant wait to start this up

**Bigun** · 08-10-2005, 05:48 AM

Good luck, I am sure you will love the combo!

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 08:39 AM

bump

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 05:01 PM

anyone else w/ any input ?

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 06:59 PM

do u guys think i will need to add HCG ?

**ajfina** · 08-10-2005, 07:19 PM

T-bols will NOT bloat u at all and 4 weeks of t-bols is not enought i ran t-bols for more than 2 months and i didn't get any water or "bloat" at all tbols are very weak bro ,so i would say run t-bols for at least 6 tp 8 weeks and up to 60 to 80 mgs and prop do 150 EOD
my own expierence

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by ajfina

T-bols will NOT bloat u at all and 4 weeks of t-bols is not enought i ran t-bols for more than 2 months and i didn't get any water or "bloat" at all tbols are very weak bro ,so i would say run t-bols for at least 6 tp 8 weeks and up to 60 to 80 mgs and prop do 150 EOD
my own expierence

im not trying to gain size .... all i want to do is gain strength along with LBM while decreasing body fat .... i am an athlete and need to stay flexible ... i am more interested in strength vs. mass .... thats y im tryin out the low doses

**Deezuhl** · 08-10-2005, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bigun

Hmm I am not sure what my start/finish weight was as I was 19stone natural so my weight fluctuates a hell of a lot day to day because of water and good levels. I think tbol is very comparable to var, I hit my best bench on the tbol. I love both orals to be honest and wouldnt use anything else.

Ive heard tbol is like anavar on steroids .. Ive been noticing some more popularity over dbol . I have never run dbol or tbol but i am going to opt for tbol this next cycle and see how it goes.

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 08:07 PM

hey what up deezuhl ... good to hear from u ... what u think of this cutter ?

***G-1000*** · 08-10-2005, 08:09 PM

guys t-bol is more like d-bol. it is not even close to var. please get this right there is alot of wrong info ot there on t-bol.

**ajfina** · 08-10-2005, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

guys t-bol is more like d-bol. it is not even close to var. please get this right there is alot of wrong info ot there on t-bol.

no no no no
do u ever take t-bols before?
tbols are NOT like d-bols AT ALL they do are family but they don't act the same u will not get water from t-bols , i've done d-bols , var's and t-bols and yes t-bols are kinda like var but var's are more strong
read this bro

Turanabol is a potent derivative of Dianabol . It is structurally a cross between methandrostenolone and clostebol (4-chlorotestosterone), having same base structure as Dianabol with the added 4-chloro alteration of clostebol. This makes Turanabol a вЂњkindelr gentler DianabolвЂќ, the new steroid displaying a much lower level of androgenic activity in comparison. Its anabolic activity is somewhat lower than that of Dianabol as well, but it does maintain a much favorable balance of anabolic to androgenic effect overall. This means that at any given level of muscle-building activity, Turanabol will be much less likely to produce he classic androgenic sides effects such as oily skin, acne, aggression and male-pattern hair loss (if genetically prone) than would Dianabol.

The 4-chloro attachment used with steroid also inhibits its ability to be aromatizes. Turanabol is therefore not going to present its user with unwanted estrogenic side effects like water retention, increased fat deposition or gynecomastia . While Dianabol tends to produce puffiness and a little fat retention in its users, which hides muscle definition, the exact opposite effect usually happens with Turanabol. Turanabol tends to ptomote gain in lean tissue mass, accompanied by an increased look of density, hardness and definition due to the intensified androgen to estrogen ratio. For bodybuilding purpose this makes Turanabol a great pre-contest or cutting steroid, not really a bulking agent of choice. Athletes in sports where speed tends to be a primary focus would also find favor in Turanabol, obtaining a strong anabolic benefit without having to carry around any extra water or fat weight. Although there is a clear relationship between Turanabol and Dianabol when it comes to molecular structure, ultimately it would be much more appropriate to be comparing the activities of this steroid to those of other mild, non aromatizing anabolics like Stanozolol , Oxandrolone or Priomobolan.

***G-1000*** · 08-10-2005, 08:31 PM

(Methandrostenolone ) D-bol
[17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-one]

(4-chlorodehydromethyltestosterone) T-bol
[4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one]

(Oxandrolone) Var
[17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one]

***G-1000*** · 08-10-2005, 08:34 PM

i have run all 3 d-bol gives me alot of water bloat. to the point i had to stop running it.

when i took t-bol i had lettle bloat but not that bad. i ran it for 5 weeks at 60mg day.

var was great it dryed me out no bloat at all real nice lean look.

**ajfina** · 08-10-2005, 08:45 PM

var's will be the best choice if he doesn't want any water
defenetely

**QuieTSToRM33** · 08-10-2005, 08:50 PM

i agree as well ... thats y im jumpstarting with tbol and ending with var

***G-1000*** · 08-10-2005, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by QuieTSToRM33

i agree as well ... thats y im jumpstarting with tbol and ending with var

that is going to be a nice cycle.

**Deezuhl** · 08-10-2005, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by QuieTSToRM33

hey what up deezuhl ... good to hear from u ... what u think of this cutter ?

hey bro.. yeah cycle looks nice. i havent run tbol or var or any oral for that matter.. so i am still researching.. good luck

**Bigun** · 08-11-2005, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

guys t-bol is more like d-bol. it is not even close to var. please get this right there is alot of wrong info ot there on t-bol.

I disagree with this, I have run BD Var and Tbol many times and their effects on me have been very similar. I would never use Dbol because I dont see the value of gaining water weight that you are going to lose post cycle. It may have had that effect on you but I havent experienced this on many cycles