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    serious liver pain

    finishing up a cycle with oral winny, 10 tabs and rest liquid oral. i admittadly have not been drinking enough water, i was just wondering if i have something to worry about. ive been pounding two gallons of water a day and taking 8 milk thistle a day. its been 3 days, its getting better but have i possibly done permanent damage

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    how bad is the pain? on a scale of 1-10, 10 being excrutiating(not bearable). You should look into liv 52 instead of milk thistle

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    it comes and goes, id say at times a 7, usually a 3 or 4, can you get liv 52 at gnc?

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    I dont know about GNC(I dont shop there, I get it from my friend that has a vit shop). But that stuff is pretty good. Check GNC online or something or type in liv 52 into google

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    can i continue my test shots and wait a week with the winny?

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    bump

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    It could be your Gal Bladder too. They are in the same area, and Gal bladder is usually the first to start acting up.

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    I doubt its your liver your feeling..go to a doctor if your that concerned

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    Get to a doc and get some blood tests run ASAP. The liver a very forgiving organ, if this is your only cycle I doubt you would have done permanent damage. Better safe than sorry, I'd rather botch a cycle than end up on the organ donor list.

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    i hear that, i stopped running dbols or any orally really just cuz my liver gets sore within 2 weeks and i dont want to jeopradize long term health.....stick to test eq dec, the basics

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakintraining
    i hear that, i stopped running dbols or any orally really just cuz my liver gets sore within 2 weeks and i dont want to jeopradize long term health.....stick to test eq dec, the basics
    again,i dont think it is your liver more likely the lower back pumps associated with dbol .

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    I second all of the above. You don't see liver problem in young people really. It really only turns up in older alcohol abusers and IV drug users. Even then, They are pretty old. The liver is meant to deal with stress.

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    no i know the differnece lower abdomen and lower back pain....it isnt a sorenseess i get from lifting or anything, it is a funny pain that is very irratable...i just dont cahnace it anymore

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    Are you sure it's not your kidneys? It feels like a lower back spasm when I get kidney pumps. I haven't had those since last year when I was drinking too much cause of work. Last time I had those on AAS, it was dbol . I'm on 40mgs/day tbol with no problems at all. I eat very clean and drink lots of water. Try not to drink alcohol at all but I have a glass of red wine in the evening once in awhile.

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    it could have been because i was on dbol 50mg for 4 weeks and i prolly wasnt drinking enough water...but i was sore

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakintraining
    it could have been because i was on dbol 50mg for 4 weeks and i prolly wasnt drinking enough water...but i was sore
    You were popping dianas like M&Ms.....10 a day will make your kidneys stray.....hehehe.....jus jokin....

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    no they were reforvit tabs..spilt in quarters taken through the day.....

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