For the AS users do you think u would have ever reached ur goals if u didnt take AS?

**xplicit** · 04-27-2002, 05:32 PM

Same as topic

**03733+$** · 04-28-2002, 04:57 PM

DEFINATLY NOT!!!

**CatGrabber** · 04-28-2002, 04:58 PM

no way

**steadygainz** · 04-28-2002, 08:13 PM

depends what your goal is. if you're looking to compete in the Olympia someday then no. but if you're lookin to gain 20-30# and be ripped in the next year or so w/out AS then the answer is yes. discipline, strict diet, intense training. its mind over matter.

**Mr. Fina** · 04-28-2002, 08:18 PM

I fell out of the good gene tree and hit every branch on the way down! Without steroids I'd be 20-30 pounds lighter.

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 08:20 PM

6'2" 255 at 8%bf or lower...that's my goal...is that possible naturally?

**Mr. Fina** · 04-28-2002, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by broncojosh
6'2" 255 at 8%bf or lower...that's my goal...is that possible naturally?

Yes and you would be playing middle linebacker in the league.

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 08:27 PM

Middle linebackers in the league are natural.....

**Mr. Fina** · 04-28-2002, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by broncojosh
Middle linebackers in the league are natural.....

In most cases yes.

**03733+$** · 04-28-2002, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Fina

In most cases yes.

Either natural or really careful how they do buisness!!!

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 08:59 PM

You guys think most guys in the league are natural...

**tackle78** · 04-28-2002, 09:03 PM

I sure as hell don't. Yeah there are some genetic freaks, but most guys aren't. More successfull linebackers have used then haven't, I would say.

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 09:07 PM

being "around" D1 college ball, and having a few buddies in the league, I will have to agree with you.

**tackle78** · 04-28-2002, 09:15 PM

THere are certain positions which it is more common. THe most rampant use being from inebackers. They need to be fast enough to cover recievers, big enough to get through the O-line, and angry enough to want to kill every single player on the other team. Most of them are jacked and juiced.

**03733+$** · 04-28-2002, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by tackle78
THere are certain positions which it is more common. THe most rampant use being from inebackers. They need to be fast enough to cover recievers, big enough to get through the O-line, and angry enough to want to kill every single player on the other team. Most of them are jacked and juiced.

I FULLY AGREE!!!

and most of them are ready and willing to do what ever it takes to give them an egde over the next person especially when it could make the difference in going pro!

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 09:34 PM

that's what I'm saying...So I ask the question again. 6'2" 255 at 8%bf, is that possible natural? (or should I say probable)

**bigkev** · 04-28-2002, 09:45 PM

i still havnt reached my main goal.

**xplicit** · 04-28-2002, 09:49 PM

I think its possible but it will take you a long time to achieve those goals
it also depends on your stats now.

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 09:53 PM

I don't think I will ever be content. Goals are a temporary thing. They are made to be met. I am 6'2" 260ish at 14.3%bf this morning

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 09:55 PM

What is your main goal BigKev???Mr. "O"

**xplicit** · 04-28-2002, 09:56 PM

that's what I'm saying...So I ask the question again. 6'2" 255 at 8%bf, is that possible natural? (or should I say probable)

I don't think I will ever be content. Goals are a temporary thing. They are made to be met. I am 6'2" 260ish at 14.3%bf this morning

Bro you dont think losing 5 pounds is possible and 5 percent body fat
i think u can achieve that goal

**broncojosh** · 04-28-2002, 09:59 PM

5%bf is how much weight? I'm thinking I need to put on 30 pounds of muscle, and drop 40 pounds of fat?

**xplicit** · 04-28-2002, 10:30 PM

Im not sure how much each eprcentage represents. But i dont thinks is impossible

**CarbonCopy** · 04-29-2002, 01:54 AM

I have never done the juice and have been trying all natural to get cut, but all that seems to happen is I lose fat and muscle. I've used clen and eca, but right now I am 185 11% bf.. Maybe it's the way I train not sure, but i think the only way I could get ripped and hard is by using gear. Just my .02

Peace,
CC