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Hey guys im starting PCT in a week, I did wk 1-4 dbol 20mg a day, and week 1-10 500mg/wk test e. I have gained 25 solid pounds. I am confident I can keep these gains but I hear diffrent oppinions on what to do during PCT.
Should I be hitting the weights HARD and keep it under 1 hour or should I be doing lighter weight so I dont over train. Im going to keep cals up and do clomid and nolva
clomid therapy
day 1- 300mg
day 2-11 100mg
day 12-21 50mg
nolva
20mg day through PCT
I would do the exact same thing as you did on cycle. I feel that gives the best results.
sorry bro,but you wont keep the 25lbs...just the way it is.you may keep 5.that would be more realistic.
as far as working out,just avoid overtraining.
I'd say... keep everything the same, just drop the volume.
ur jokin right?Quote:
Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
u dont lose 20 pounds on a test-e cycle bro lol
More like he maye lose 5, not keep 5 brother :wg:Quote:
Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
im about to start pct as well.... and im gonna begin a cutting diet on pct and lower the weight that i do and do more reps with less sets... what do u guys think of this?
you dont put on 25lbs of muscle on a 10 week cycle...no way no how.esp with dbol.Quote:
Originally Posted by fballhoss51
5lbs,no more then 7...get back after yout pct bro and let us know..plezzzzzzzz take pics for all the doubters out there
worse thing to do during pct is to try and cut,your body is gonna be in a catabolic state as it is...dont do itQuote:
Originally Posted by r1sk
One question though.. How can it be good for you to work out hard when the body don't have test? Wouldn't it be better to take it easy at least the first week? I'm just wondering..
Working out, especially large muscle groups like legs also increases natural test levels. If you don't do anything you will lose your gains and get fat or go back to the skinny skeleton that you once were. Estrogen is going crazy as your natural T levels are trying to recover.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace ventura
He didn't do 10 weeks of dbol, he did 10 weeks of test E.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
I'll guess if you keep your cals up you will keep around 15 bro
I DIDNT SAY HE DID 10 WEEKS OF DBOL :aajack:Quote:
Originally Posted by speak
AND NO NEED TO GUESS BRO,IM TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENS.IF HE WERE TO PUT ON 25LBS OF SOLID MUSCLE IN A 10 WEEK SPAN HE'D BE A FIRST.
NEXT TIME YOUR BUYING MEAT GET 25LBS OF STEAK AND LOOK AT IT....THATS WHAT 25LBS OF MUSCLE WOULD LOOK LIKE...NOT A CHANCE
keep cals up, be intense but dont spend the whole day in the gym.. u can keep 20 +
your profile says you haven't even done a cycle ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Liftnainez
i think he could definetely have put on some serious mass if he hadn't came close to his natural potential and it was his first cycle, but the chances of him putting on 25 pounds of just muscle is rare i would say. but possible.
iM SORRY,I DISAGREE....25# of pure muscle in 10weeks...1yr..maybe/but even that is a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by punchrf
remember were talking pure muscle,not water weight,and not fat.if someone can show proof through pictures here...he;;,i still wouldnt believe it :bs:
Im 35yo,been at this since i was 17,have friends who compete profesionally.im telling you,your only fooling yourself if you believe drugs will have this kind of effect on you...im done!!
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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
yes i totally agree with you with test e only cycle most of the gains ara water retation it will maybe look like its muscle but it would not be!! slowly slowly week after week the water will always decrease and as this guy sad maybe 5-7 pound will be pure muscel the other pounds are all water and fat!!!!
Agreed with devldog. Everytime I go to buy meat, I always buy 6-10lbs. That's alot of meat which is 2 packages. Do you know how big that is? That's like saying after 4 cycles, you'll gain 100lbs? Come on. When you gain from AS, it comes with muscle,fat,water retention,etc. Devldog is talkin about quality muscle, not crappy muscle.
First 2 weeks cut training in half because of low test levels , each week increase back up 20% a week until traing full again and test should be kicking back in, make sure to keep calories and protien up! good luck :wg:
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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
actually when you buy 25lbs of meat it retains water also.. You are no where near even close to being right about about losing 20lbs out of 25lbs total weight gained let alone muscle. I have seen with my own eyes guys on winny and eq put on 20lbs of weight and get measured before and after for bf% and stay 6-7%. And never drop down from there at all. So if you tell me they are retaining 15lbs water and it never drops then i guess your you know more than me..
worst case scenario you only gained 16lbs muscle on 10 weeks you still arebt going to lose 11 with proper diet training and pct. sorry.
I myself started a cycle at 214lbs and 17% bf and after 12 weeks test e and winny i was still 214lbs but i was 12%bf. so lets assume I gained only 15lbs lean muscle. pure puscle cause its obvious from pictures I put on a ton of muscle. I am still 214lbs today 16 more weeks later and 10-11% bf. so you tell me...what part i am wrong about???
Let's say he keep as much as 10 lbs of pure muscle. This mass will keep water and energy, right? So I guess 10 lbs of muscle will hold maybe another 7-10 lbs of weight, right? (Just guessing).. Is this what you call "crappy muscles"?