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    Cool Want to get started

    I have a very active life style. I burn off more calories than I can take in. I am 6'1"-205 lift 4 time a week. As of nowits all natural, Becides the waste of $ supplements. Im thinking about taking orals. Any suggestions?

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    dbols will make you bloated and give you a lot of strength quickly, you should consider doing a lil bit of deca like once every 5 days along with it, bro youll def be pleased.

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    No Oral only cycles

    You have to be ready to stick a needle in you b4 ur ready to juice

    Most say a good first cycle is

    weeks 1-12 Test E @ 500mgs a week
    weeks 1-4 Dbol 30-40 mgs a day
    Clomid PCT

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    Cool No orale only

    Why no orals only. Im not afraid of needles, half of my body is covered with Tattoos.

    Quote Originally Posted by beefjr22
    No Oral only cycles

    You have to be ready to stick a needle in you b4 ur ready to juice

    Most say a good first cycle is

    weeks 1-12 Test E @ 500mgs a week
    weeks 1-4 Dbol 30-40 mgs a day
    Clomid PCT

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    orals are harsh on your liver and you can only run them for about 7 weeks at a maximum without major liver damage. You can will hardly be able to keep any of the strength/weight gains from the orals. Read up all the profiles. Start with test e 500mg/week. Do your research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umbrellaman
    Why no orals only. Im not afraid of needles, half of my body is covered with Tattoos.
    Very bad on your liver..........need test

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    Ok. If you decide to go oral only, which no one would recommed. Go with anavar , it will be the best for decent gains, provided your diet is good and your PCT is good as well. The only thing with Anavar is that it does shut down your HPTA, so your natural test will be suppressed. If you take anavar, and don't mind the needles, run it with 100mg of prop eod, and the gains will be steady and easily kept. A sample cycle could look something like this:

    Week 1-8 Anavar 40 mg ed
    Week 1-12 Prop 100 mg eod

    PCT to start 2 weeks after the last test injection.

    Read up and check the steriod profiles section for more info on what you think you might be taking and how they compounds work and may react with your body. Good luck buddy.

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    I live in a quiet LITTLE college town. Hard to get meds, if you know what I mean. Lived here for almost 20 years. Dont know anyone.

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    Those you have to find for yourself. Stick around for a while, people here are good and will help, but no asking for sources. Read the forum rules if you think you might slip up.

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    don't waste your time and $ with orals only. I have tried it and it was exactly that, a waste of time. If you don't want to do orals for any reason, than forget about gear.

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    Is there an ideal age when one might consider these alternatives? Im looking to gain and keep it.

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    how old are you?

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    The only concern is if you've stopped growing, if your growth plates have set yet. if not than gear will do it for you and you will never grow another inch. I think most people think 21-23. But i am also not a docter. Maybe you should talk with one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umbrellaman
    Is there an ideal age when one might consider these alternatives? Im looking to gain and keep it.
    if youre looking to gain and keep it, you need to take injectables correctly, not to mention always do proper PCT when you come off, train well and have a very solid diet in place

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    Im 31. As im lifing now. I do have a little muscle growth. Slow and steady. Want to get there a little faster

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    well keep doing research on how to cycle properly. A good first cycle is 400-500 mg/wk of test e for 10-12 weeks followed by proper PCT. You could even use dbol for the first 4 weeks to help kick start the cycle, but this is optional

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    I am already a very aggressive person, short fuse @ times. Played Rugby for 7+ years. I can be rather rough @ times. Ive heard you can have heavy mood swings, or fits at times. Is there a way mello this out or is it a mind set? Count to 10 or somthing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umbrellaman
    I am already a very aggressive person, short fuse @ times. Played Rugby for 7+ years. I can be rather rough @ times. Ive heard you can have heavy mood swings, or fits at times. Is there a way mello this out or is it a mind set? Count to 10 or somthing.
    most people will tell you that roid rage is a myth and I will agree with them. Steroids can make you more aggressive, but you just need to learn how to control your temper. Either youre an ass hole or youre not, people just use steroids as a scape goat.

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    Are there any supps thet come even close the the real thing? Or am I better off not wasting my money on them and stick to eating right and lifting hard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by umbrellaman
    Are there any supps thet come even close the the real thing? Or am I better off not wasting my money on them and stick to eating right and lifting hard?
    creatine protien lots of food

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    Some days Im not that hungey and others I eat like I judt discovered food. You know what I mean. By the way, while Im here. What do you guys think of 1-AD or M-1T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beantown12
    dbols will make you bloated and give you a lot of strength quickly, you should consider doing a lil bit of deca like once every 5 days along with it, bro youll def be pleased.
    yea..dont do that

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    Why not?

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