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**deuce-is-loose** · 08-20-2005, 11:02 AM

tomorrow im starting this. Just was wondering if i should change anything or what you guys think.

Weeks 1-4
Dboll. (30mg ED)
Weeks 1-12
Sus250. (500mg EW)
Weeks 1-10
EQ. (400mgEW)

.50 liquidex ED
20mg nolva ED

Followed by PCT

I will also be adding in 45mins of cardio everynight
(walking at an incline)

* Diet will be very strict *

Anything else ?

**djdjdjddjon** · 08-20-2005, 11:06 AM

seems like cutting cycle with diet and cardio, so then why sustanon and dbol ? gunna get water, granted the anastrozole will reduce that, but it seems like you could have used better combination or say throw out the cardio and relax on the diet and do a bulking cycle instead...?

**deuce-is-loose** · 08-20-2005, 11:11 AM

No, this is my bulking cycle. But i have about 5LBS around the waist that i would like to get ride of. Im also not trying to gain a ton of fat either while bulking. JMO

**djdjdjddjon** · 08-20-2005, 11:13 AM

ah gotcha, just seems counter productive; good gains = caloric excess, cardio = burning excess calories...however some cardio i've read is good during bulking simply to keep cardiovascular system healthy and avoid lv hypertrophy, so maybe if your going to do cardio kick up the protein/calories a bit more...this way you can maintain cv health and conntinue bulking...?

**DEVLDOG** · 08-20-2005, 11:13 AM

why do people associate certain compounds with either bulking or cutting..your diet and training will determine that.

looks good bro,,,Goodluck

**djdjdjddjon** · 08-20-2005, 11:14 AM

because certain compounds do certain things in the cell and those effects are greater for cutting or bulking, its not a tough concept, of course diet effects it, but so does each unique steroid structure...

**djdjdjddjon** · 08-20-2005, 11:15 AM

dont read about too many people doing cutting cycles with anadrol and sustanon , ...?

**deuce-is-loose** · 08-20-2005, 11:16 AM

thanks DEVLDOG.

My protein intake will def go up. i just like to be in really good shape. i dont want to be BIG and not be able to run to the end of the block without having a heart attack.

**djdjdjddjon** · 08-20-2005, 11:17 AM

right i agree, thats why i said if so maybe up the protein/calories...you can still do your cardio and have excess calorie intake...best of both, good luck

**deuce-is-loose** · 08-20-2005, 11:24 AM

What if i was to wait on taking the nolva unless i saw signs of gyno ? Would that be OK ?

**djdjdjddjon** · 08-20-2005, 11:27 AM

i'd say so, personally i think its your preference whether ur willing to risk it, some might develop it slowly, other real quick...risk tolerance i suppose? dbol and test aromitize easily, however your taking something that prevents aromitization altogether, right? not really sure why u need nolva anyways with liquidex...?

**deuce-is-loose** · 08-20-2005, 11:33 AM

hhmmmmmm

**DEVLDOG** · 08-20-2005, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by deuce-is-loose

What if i was to wait on taking the nolva unless i saw signs of gyno ? Would that be OK ?

nolva like any other compound req time to build your blood levels up (2 weeks)(mudman wrote a thread about this some time ago if you want to look it up) id say its a small price to pay for precaution.
i just paid $4700 for gyno surgery 3 months ago..your choice

**DEVLDOG** · 08-20-2005, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by djdjdjddjon

dont read about too many people doing cutting cycles with anadrol and sustanon, ...?

like i said in my pm to you,I have 17yrs at this..take it for what its worth...thats alot of trial and error bro

**deuce-is-loose** · 08-20-2005, 12:10 PM

wow, thats alot of money.

**DEVLDOG** · 08-20-2005, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by deuce-is-loose

wow, thats alot of money.

worth every penny though

**deuce-is-loose** · 08-20-2005, 01:56 PM

Would just using Liquidex be fine ? I have never had a problem with gyno before.(knock on wood) But i have never taken sus or eq before. Would this be a problem ?