Cycle Critique

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 11:45 AM

I came up with this myself so critique away.....(dont want to go crazy with the dbol as it skyrockets my bloodpressure)

Week 1-3 Dbol 20 mg/day
Week 1-13 Test E 500mg/week
Week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week
Nolvadex 20mg/day

And then of course proper pct with clomid and nolva.

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 01:11 PM

so does the lack of response mean it looks okay?

**AHMAD** · 08-21-2005, 01:23 PM

actualy im new in here but i think u have to up the D-Bol doses to 35-50
coz you ganna run it for 3 week only or u may hit 35 for 4 weeks

correct me guys

**TheMudMan** · 08-21-2005, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dalton5

I came up with this myself so critique away.....(dont want to go crazy with the dbol as it skyrockets my bloodpressure)

Week 1-3 Dbol 20 mg/day
Week 1-13 Test E 500mg/week
Week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week
Nolvadex 20mg/day

And then of course proper pct with clomid and nolva.

I would up the EQ to 500mg and also extend it to week 12............ If Dbol raises your bp then that's fine what you have or better yet dump it and either jump start with prop or nothing at all.

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

I would up the EQ to 500mg and also extend it to week 12............ If Dbol raises your bp then that's fine what you have or better yet dump it and either jump start with prop or nothing at all.

I was under the impression that test should be run slightly higher then the EQ to override its surpressive effects ....libido is a concern which is why i dont think ill ever run Deca

**Son Of Khadafi** · 08-21-2005, 02:18 PM

Can't give any advice until you give your stats, history, etc....what cycle is this...your first?

**Pinnacle** · 08-21-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dalton5

I came up with this myself so critique away.....(dont want to go crazy with the dbol as it skyrockets my bloodpressure)

Week 1-3 Dbol 20 mg/day
Week 1-13 Test E 500mg/week
Week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week
Nolvadex 20mg/day

And then of course proper pct with clomid and nolva.

Dump the Dbol.At that dose,it won't do much for you at all.If you decide to run the EQ.You'll need to extend it 4 wks longer,plus extend the Test a wk beyond the EQ so PCT timing will match up.

**smokethedays** · 08-21-2005, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Dump the Dbol.At that dose,it won't do much for you at all.If you decide to run the EQ.You'll need to extend it 4 wks longer,plus extend the Test a wk beyond the EQ so PCT timing will match up.

i disagree on the D-bol part, it would give the cycle "jump start" while the other compounds slowly reach it's peak.

**IRONBULL05** · 08-21-2005, 02:46 PM

I would extend the cycle to 16wks for the test and 15 for the eq.Up the d-bol to 30mg ed for 4 wks,by then the test and eq will be kicking in!
This is a great mass cycle!

**Pinnacle** · 08-21-2005, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

i disagree on the D-bol part, it would give the cycle "jump start" while the other compounds slowly reach it's peak.

At 20mgs,I seriously doubt that.At that dose you'll retain water,that's about it.Strength gains will be insignificant.

**TheMudMan** · 08-21-2005, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dalton5

I was under the impression that test should be run slightly higher then the EQ to override its surpressive effects ....libido is a concern which is why i dont think ill ever run Deca

Nope.... other compounds like deca that would be correct but EQ is pretty mild and can be ran the same dosage as test. I wouldn't suggest something if I haven done it that way myself.

**smokethedays** · 08-21-2005, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

At 20mgs,I seriously doubt that.At that dose you'll retain water,that's about it.Strength gains will be insignificant.

D-bol works pretty good even @ 15 mg/day. to dose up to 40 and 50 mg/day u need to be pretty expert with oral AAS.
have u ever used D-bol?!

**Pinnacle** · 08-21-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

D-bol works pretty good even @ 15 mg/day. to dose up to 40 and 50 mg/day u need to be pretty expert with oral AAS.
have u ever used D-bol?!

More than once bro.I went up to 80 mgs Ed.I don't use it anymore.The back pumps ruin my training sessions.Actually,with all the cycles behind me(12+)I keep things really simple these days.

**smokethedays** · 08-21-2005, 03:14 PM

the guy who asked the Q doesn't seem experienced with orals. so 20 mg or 30 mg max should be pretty good with TestE and EQ.

**demirsteel** · 08-21-2005, 03:22 PM

This is a very good beginner mass cycle. Perhaps upping the dosage diabonol preferred but you have high blood pressure with it, so go with 20mg. On low dosages diabonol, you will have better results on single dose compared to two or more doses I would advise you not to use nolva unless signs of gyno occur. You can go eq with the same length as test. Eq is gentle.

**Pinnacle** · 08-21-2005, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

the guy who asked the Q doesn't seem experienced with orals. so 20 mg or 30 mg max should be pretty good with TestE and EQ.

I agree totally.I don't think he should use it at all.More drugs don't mean more gains.I wish I knew that 10 cycles ago.The money I'd have saved would be remarkable.

**Orion141** · 08-21-2005, 04:05 PM

I would say, keep the dbol at 20 or 30mg and the EQ could be extened to 12 wks. Then that cycle would look awesome IMO.

Orion

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Son Of Khadafi

Can't give any advice until you give your stats, history, etc....what cycle is this...your first?

Here you are...
21 yrs old
5'8 185
1 previous cycle
This would be my second cycle...I had good gains from my first (although I relize it is frowned upon to start so light, but I was less educated) anyway i had good gains (155 to 185) and 4 months post pct i havent lost any strength and still weigh 185....

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

D-bol works pretty good even @ 15 mg/day. to dose up to 40 and 50 mg/day u need to be pretty expert with oral AAS.
have u ever used D-bol?!

I agree, you dont need mega doses of dbol ....after a week @ 40mg/ed i had to drop to 20 as my blood pressure was up quite a bit....i still had good gains

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by demirsteel

This is a very good beginner mass cycle. Perhaps upping the dosage diabonol preferred but you have high blood pressure with it, so go with 20mg. On low dosages diabonol, you will have better results on single dose compared to two or more doses I would advise you not to use nolva unless signs of gyno occur. You can go eq with the same length as test. Eq is gentle.

I will run nolva since i am prone to gyno.....IYO will this really affect gains?

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 06:20 PM

So how about leaving the dbol and nolva as they are and upping the test to 15 weeks and the EQ to 14 weeks?

**rallyfocus** · 08-21-2005, 06:51 PM

I'm on almost the identical cycle at the moment. Except i'm taking 30mg of dbol for 4 weeks. I'm into week 4 right now and feel like a million bucks. Great strength gains but i know what you're saying about the high blood pressure. I'd dump the dbol (although I love the superman feeling) if it could potential do more harm then good.

I don't really have any important info to give here but wanted to say how well that cycle is working for me so far!!!

**Dalton5** · 08-21-2005, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by rallyfocus

I'm on almost the identical cycle at the moment. Except i'm taking 30mg of dbol for 4 weeks. I'm into week 4 right now and feel like a million bucks. Great strength gains but i know what you're saying about the high blood pressure. I'd dump the dbol (although I love the superman feeling) if it could potential do more harm then good.

I don't really have any important info to give here but wanted to say how well that cycle is working for me so far!!!

Good to hear man.....seems to be a killer cycle from what i see