08-21-2005, 02:15 PM #1
Dianabol VS. Testosterone: KINGS OF MASS
***ONLY EXPERIENCE! DO NOT POST IF YOU HAVE NOT USED BOTH COMPOUNDS***
Mg for Mg.....
1.) WHO IS THE KING OF MASS?
*50mgs Dbol VS. 50 Mg Test(susp or prop)
2.) CONVERSION to ESTROGEN AND DHT?
[Would I be MORE likely to develop GYNO at 25mgs ED of DBOL or 50mgs ED prop?]
*Greater aromatization from which? At an EQUAL dose, or LOWER(whereas you can use dbol effectively at 20mgs)
*Greater chance of hairloss?
*Greater chance of Acne?
I am CONSIDERING making a JUMP from 205lbs, 7%BF, to around 220lbs, 7%BF. As you all know my situation, I really can not risk gyno, hairloss or acne. I am not even sure how I would look at 5''10, THAT big...but I may be willing to give it a shot. Just looking for EXPERIENCE on this one. SO, to all of those who have USED BOTH--which would be better suited for my cicrumstance....
08-21-2005, 02:21 PM #2
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08-21-2005, 02:31 PM #4
08-21-2005, 02:36 PM #5Originally Posted by Pump A Holic
08-21-2005, 02:41 PM #6
08-21-2005, 02:48 PM #7
remember that dbol is also a 17aa steroid so it puts extra stress on your liver too and cant be run for a long a duration as test. If youre really concerned w/ aromatization just make sure you take an anti e the whole time. I have no problems w/ gyno and Im on 750mg/wk of test, but then again everybody is different
08-21-2005, 02:49 PM #8Originally Posted by Pump A Holic
08-21-2005, 02:53 PM #9
Anti-E's....I would rather not have to use more drugs to counteract other drugs. If I could get away with prop or low dose dbol without any anti-e's, that would be lovely--although maybe not realistic...
Question is...for those who are GYNO PRONE--which compound causes more problems, more quickly??
08-21-2005, 03:00 PM #10Originally Posted by Pump A Holic
08-21-2005, 03:02 PM #11
Suspension...now that is something rarely brought up--due probably to lack of experience...
08-21-2005, 03:05 PM #12
You say you can't risk gyno?
Then I'd say you have to use some kind of anti-e. Low doses don't necessarily mean no gyno.
08-21-2005, 03:06 PM #13
I am in my 4th week of test prop. The only side effect i have experienced is slighty oily skin, thats it. Some very nice lean gains.
08-21-2005, 03:10 PM #14
08-21-2005, 03:11 PM #15
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i agree with the guys too, Test is #1 BUT u need to run it for over 12 weeks for good results. while d-bol acts really fast.
IMO, both stacked together is the BEST
i've done this b4:
week 1-14 Test Cyp. 500 mg/week
week 1-4 D-bol 40 mg/day
week 9-13 D-bol 40 mg/day
got good results out of it.
some Acne but went away 2 weeks after i got off, Anti-E always @ 20 mg/day (i'm pretty prone to Gyno)
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08-21-2005, 03:11 PM #16Originally Posted by Pump A Holic
Prop is OK.But it does take around 7-10 days to really start to do it's thing.Where as with Suspension,you'd already be up 4-5 lbs in that time frame.
08-21-2005, 03:24 PM #17Junior Member
Originally Posted by fballhoss51
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you mean minimize chances of making gains?
08-21-2005, 03:34 PM #18
08-21-2005, 03:35 PM #19
PAH? I didn't think you would do androgenic AAS? That's what you said in your other posts.
Test is your answer, not dbloat. Use finastride to prevent hairloss and you'll be in a real bulking cycle. Jump with tbol or prop then do test e @ 500-750mgs/wk - eod/e3d, 12 weeks. You'll go past 215-220 I bet? You'll feel like a million bucks on test if you've never did it before. The sense of well being is great.
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08-21-2005, 04:03 PM #21Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
Thanks for all the help bros. My career depends on my decisions.
08-21-2005, 04:54 PM #22
You can also decrease mass with lower caloric intake. That's easy...
08-21-2005, 07:13 PM #23Member
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whats the big deal? Get some letro and nolva (bridge off letro onto nolva when you pryamid down) and you can take as much aromatizing shit u want lol.
08-21-2005, 08:29 PM #24
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08-21-2005, 10:10 PM #27
The only compounds I have used are: Turinabol , Oxandrolone, Primobolan , Boldenone
20mgs DIanabol (Methandrostenelone) will produce dramatic gains, according to most profiles. If gyno/water retention are rare at these dosages, that would be an advantage over test.
What would gyno/water retention be with 50mgs PROP ED? Or suspension.?
08-21-2005, 11:48 PM #28
08-22-2005, 12:04 AM #29
Go with test and ditch dbol . Dbol has very good chance of causing the side effects you do not want. Going by what you want, I would recommend test prop 75-100mgs ed. No jump start needed since it's fast acting. You just have to shoot ed.
This trial tbol only cycle has been beyond expectations for me but I prefer injectables. My body just feels less stressed and there are much less sides. I got backed up when going 50mgs+ tbol a day. I eat very clean too so I know it's not my diet. I can only do 40mgs/day. 500mgs/week test works great with me. I'll use letro with test from now on to limit bloating. Finastride blocks a majority of the DHT bound test via 5-ar. Using letro, nolva ect is part of bulking. You have to use at least 500mgs/week test to get good results. The more test we inject the greater chance of armotase (test converted into estrogen). That's what letro is for.
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08-22-2005, 12:41 AM #30
08-22-2005, 12:42 AM #31Originally Posted by Unoid
08-22-2005, 12:43 AM #32Originally Posted by Pump A Holic
08-22-2005, 01:38 AM #33
08-22-2005, 01:43 AM #34
tren is great for lean mass. a prop/tren cycle, knowing who you are and what your goals are (your a model, right?) i think this combo is a knockout. Proper diet and training for lean mass gain with 75 mg prop ED and 50mg tren ED (or both EOD, 150/100) would really shock you... awsome strength, hardness, aggressive at the gym... but there are many other options for you.... masteron and prop being a milder, good combo... keep you lean, as masteron is very unique in its abililty to control estro as well as build mass....
08-22-2005, 10:52 AM #35Originally Posted by Drummerboy
As you know, I know all the data regaring the various steroid compounds. What I do NOT have in this unique case--is EXPERIENCE. (With aromatzing/highly androgenic steroids ) I appreciate you sharing yours...
How much weight should I expect out of a Prop/Tren cycle, or simply a Prop cycle?(Given my history)
Are these gains KEEPABLE?
I have never lost my gains...as I have oNLY used non-aromatizing/low androgenic compounds.
08-22-2005, 01:27 PM #36Originally Posted by Pump A Holic
08-22-2005, 01:32 PM #37Originally Posted by Drummerboy
08-22-2005, 04:27 PM #38
i have never gone into the world of IGF-1, GH or slin. I have only used some AAS and medication for PCT. Although, if i want to break 220 solid, i think that is the way i will have to go. Im thinking about it!! Im currently reading up on igf1,gh and slin, but am not yet well educated on it....
08-23-2005, 06:11 AM #39
I've done both many times , I've even dumb d bol only cyles in my dumba$$ years
D BOL - will make you big FAST, but you won't look good or feel good, you'll be bloated and you won't keep ANY of your gains from your cycle
TEST ONLY cycles - will make you big, not as big as d bol, but you can cycle it for lets say 2-3 months, unlike the d bol which you could take for mx 4 weeks, and at the end of the 2 months of test you'll be bigger then after the 1 month of dbol , you'll looke better, you'll keep most of your gains, and you wont fvky up your liver.
So : test VS dbol, 1:0.
And stip obsessing about gyno, you'll take an anti e with your cycle, and thats that, you're overthinking things!
08-23-2005, 06:12 AM #40Originally Posted by Drummerboy
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