Clomid can cause irreversable eyesight problems?

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08-22-2005, 02:09 PM
ward065

Clomid can cause irreversable eyesight problems?

Ouch! just read this. Certainly has me worried

Can anyone comment on what he said?

But Clomid seems to also affect the eyesight. Long-term clomid therapy causes irreversible changes in eyesight3 in users. Irreversible. For me that alone is reason enough to prefer Nolvadex.

Located @ http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm

5th to last paragraph.
08-22-2005, 02:38 PM
100m champ

It's a plain fact that there is a high correlation between gains and side-effects. Either you go for maximum gains and tolerate the side-effects, or you reduce the side-effects, and with it the gains. That's life, nothing is free.

FROM THAT POST IT'S SAYING THAT CLOMID IS BETTER FOR KEEPING GAINS BUT IT HAS MORE SIDE EFFECTS, AND NOLVA IS ALRIGHT FOR KEEPING GAINS BUT LESS SIDE EFFECTS
08-22-2005, 02:42 PM
Joey2ness

good info i thought the clomid sides were always temporary
08-22-2005, 02:46 PM
Seattle Junk

That's a good PCT article, thanks.
08-22-2005, 02:47 PM
BG

At first with clomid my eye sight got blurry, went away though, I think! :wg:
08-22-2005, 02:48 PM
ward065

it has me worried, reminds me of the viagra side effects...

has anyone actually experienced vision problems w/ clomid? This guy big cat seems to like nolvadex better.
08-22-2005, 02:49 PM
powerlifter

I'm not buying the permanent eyesight problems - there is no way
08-22-2005, 03:07 PM
SpringsBridge7

My eye sight is ****ed up from viagra, i used to go out drinking and take it. I have poorer night vision, blurry lights at night floaters all that shit. Im scared to take clomid now.
08-22-2005, 03:17 PM
ward065

i have used liquid clomid, don't know if that's different from the pills either in this respect

i'm assuming longer term issues though and not necessairly short term however...
08-22-2005, 03:21 PM
BG

Quote:

Originally Posted by ward065

i have used liquid clomid, don't know if that's different from the pills either in this respect

i'm assuming longer term issues though and not necessairly short term however...

funny now that I think about it, after clomid I think my night sight has been fuc'd up. :?:
08-22-2005, 03:23 PM
ward065

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

funny now that I think about it, after clomid I think my night sight has been fuc'd up. :?:

:scratch: seriously?
08-22-2005, 04:06 PM
Ntpadude

Quote:

Originally Posted by ward065

Ouch! just read this. Certainly has me worried

Can anyone comment on what he said?

But Clomid seems to also affect the eyesight. Long-term clomid therapy causes irreversible changes in eyesight3 in users. Irreversible. For me that alone is reason enough to prefer Nolvadex.

Located @ http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm

5th to last paragraph.

Long term meaning more then 4 weeks of clomid. 4 weeks or less is fine and doesnt cause damage. Nolva does not trigger recovery as well as clomid. Clomid is about 80% more effective at recovery.
08-22-2005, 04:18 PM
ward065

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

Long term meaning more then 4 weeks of clomid. 4 weeks or less is fine and doesnt cause damage. Nolva does not trigger recovery as well as clomid. Clomid is about 80% more effective at recovery.

Would this be fine then for my pct.....? Im through Week One now, about to begin Week Two. Clomid usage for 4 weeks is what i am planning. should i cut it down to three weeks?

Day 1: 150 mg clomid
Week 1 and 2 (Day 2-14): 100 mg clomid
Week 3 and 4: 50 mg clomid, 20 mg nolvadex

all are ED.
08-23-2005, 10:45 AM
BIGD2515

clomid sucks
08-23-2005, 10:52 AM
BuildaBeast

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGD2515

clomid sucks

Hey BigD what do you like for pct?
08-24-2005, 07:37 AM
FlyByU

Quote:

Originally Posted by ward065

Would this be fine then for my pct.....? Im through Week One now, about to begin Week Two. Clomid usage for 4 weeks is what i am planning. should i cut it down to three weeks?

Day 1: 150 mg clomid
Week 1 and 2 (Day 2-14): 100 mg clomid
Week 3 and 4: 50 mg clomid, 20 mg nolvadex

all are ED.

More like Day 1 50mg, weeks 1 & 2 25mg, week 3 12.5mg. Remember that clomid is very powerful! Side effects can be largely avoided if dosage is kept low.
08-24-2005, 09:09 AM
magic32

Granted, he makes a strong case for Nova over Clom but with regards to eyesight…

Although the author seems quite knowledgeable, and cited references for hormonal effects and cardiovascular risk, his articulation was clumsy and he failed to cite although claiming to reference your main interest namely long-term irreversible eyesight problems.

Notice here how he depicts the “3”, signaling the aforementioned reference is the third one below “…irreversible changes in eyesight3 in users.” Well upon further review the only references provided are:
1 Vermeulen A., Comhaire F., Hormonal effects of an anti-estrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men, Fertil. Ster. 29 (1978) 320-27
2 Bruning PF, Bronfer JMG, Hart AAM, Jong-Bakker M, tamoxifen, serum lipoproteins and cardiovascular risk, Br. J. Cancer 1988 Oct, 58 (4) 497-9
As a researcher I wouldn’t throw my Clomid out just yet. If this concerns you investigate it for yourself. Go online and search medical journals for present are archived abstracts with the keywords “long-term, Clomid & eyesight”. If you do find valid studies read them thoroughly for details. And be sure to share your results with AR regardless of your findings (positive or negative). Access this thread and let the gang know.

M.
08-24-2005, 09:22 AM
Ntpadude

Quote:

Originally Posted by ward065

Would this be fine then for my pct.....? Im through Week One now, about to begin Week Two. Clomid usage for 4 weeks is what i am planning. should i cut it down to three weeks?

Day 1: 150 mg clomid
Week 1 and 2 (Day 2-14): 100 mg clomid
Week 3 and 4: 50 mg clomid, 20 mg nolvadex

all are ED.

Myself I only do 100 mg clomid day one and 50 mg for 9 more days and I am FULLY recovered. There are also substantially less vision and emotional problems when doing lower doses. The manufacturer of clomid seems to think anything over 50 mg is needless even in men for PCT.
08-24-2005, 04:53 PM
jwet

wtf should i stay of clomid for my pct or what? don wanna get blind or so....
08-24-2005, 05:40 PM
biganfg

I dun know if i could believe what this bloke has to say, if clomid caused eye sight problems don't you think people would have discussed the issue a bit more? Also this Big Cat guy i've read articles of from him b4 about gear and i can't really take his advice because if you see photo's of him he has never done a cycle b4.