Is it worth it?

**cmillett** · 08-26-2005, 08:17 PM

Is it worth runing hgh[junitropin]or igf-1 with test-e at 500 mg a week for 12 weeks and if so what would be better and at what dose?and by the way I'm looking for more strength and mass gains than burning fat.

**smokethedays** · 08-26-2005, 08:17 PM

stats needed for better assistance.

**cmillett** · 08-26-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

stats needed for better assistance.

5'7'' 200-205lbs. 10-12% bf,26 years old,8-10 cycles under my belt,been lifting for 10 years at least.

**smokethedays** · 08-26-2005, 08:30 PM

Test @ 500 mg/week for 12 weeks is a MINIMUM period. i'd up that to 16 weeks and dose up to 750 mg/week. HGH @ 4 IU 5 times a week for 20 weeks

**cmillett** · 08-26-2005, 09:05 PM

all right hear we go,
wks 1-16 500mg test-e
wks 1-20 5/2 4iu's hgh
wks 18-20 clomid treatment
nolvadex 10-20 mg ed

how would I need to take my daily hgh doses?2 iu's in the morning and 2 in at night or all at once in the am or pm hours.

**IBdmfkr** · 08-27-2005, 12:59 AM

I would start GH before test to get desired results. Also would check out the hgh forum so you understand what GH is. And I disagree I think 500mg of test for 12wks is fine. Everyone is different, If you've ran 8-10cycles you should know what works or doesnt work for you by now.. how can we tell you what to do if we don't know your previous cycle history.

**cmillett** · 08-29-2005, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I would start GH before test to get desired results. Also would check out the hgh forum so you understand what GH is. And I disagree I think 500mg of test for 12wks is fine. Everyone is different, If you've ran 8-10cycles you should know what works or doesnt work for you by now.. how can we tell you what to do if we don't know your previous cycle history.

my cycle history consists of test[enanthate ,T-400,sustanon ,T-200],deca ,deca durabolan,and D-bol that is all I have done in the past.

**Pinnacle** · 08-29-2005, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by cmillett

Is it worth runing hgh[junitropin]or igf-1 with test-e at 500 mg a week for 12 weeks and if so what would be better and at what dose?and by the way I'm looking for more strength and mass gains than burning fat.

If you're looking for size,run a cycle of LR3 IGF-1.For a 12 wk cycle you're running.HGH wouldn't be effective since it takes that long to really kick in.
50 mcgs on WO days of IGF will produce the results you are after.

**cmillett** · 08-29-2005, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

If you're looking for size,run a cycle of LR3 IGF-1.For a 12 wk cycle you're running.HGH wouldn't be effective since it takes that long to really kick in.
50 mcgs on WO days of IGF will produce the results you are after.

so would it look like this,

weeks 1-12 test-e at 500mg
weeks 1-4 lr3 igf-1 50 mcg ed
weeks 9-12 lr3 igf-1 50 mcg ed
weeks 15-16 clomid
weeks 1-17 nolvadex 10-20 mg ed

**Nicky B** · 08-29-2005, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by cmillett

so would it look like this,

weeks 1-12 test-e at 500mg
weeks 1-4 lr3 igf-1 50 mcg ed
weeks 9-12 lr3 igf-1 50 mcg ed
weeks 15-16 clomid
weeks 1-17 nolvadex 10-20 mg ed

Looks okay but I would run the igf-1 in your PCT and your cycle.

**cmillett** · 08-29-2005, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Nicky B

Looks okay but I would run the igf-1 in your PCT and your cycle.

how long can I run igf-1 at a time,from what I've read it can only be run 4weeks at a time,also what weeks would you run the igf-1 and at what dose.

**Nicky B** · 08-29-2005, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by cmillett

how long can I run igf-1 at a time,from what I've read it can only be run 4weeks at a time,also what weeks would you run the igf-1 and at what dose.

It can effectively be run for 5weeks some run for 6 but I think 5 is best.

**Pinnacle** · 08-29-2005, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Nicky B

It can effectively be run for 5weeks some run for 6 but I think 5 is best.

It appears to saturate your receptors around week 5.Damn shame too.

**Nicky B** · 08-29-2005, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

It appears to saturate your receptors around week 5.Damn shame too.

Thats why I see 6weeks uneffective.

**cmillett** · 08-29-2005, 09:52 AM

Ok does this look any better,

weeks 1-12 test-e at 500mg
weeks 1-5 igf-1 at 50mcg ed
weeks 11-15 igf-1 at 50 mcg ed
weeks 15-17 clomid treatment
weeks 1-17 nolvadex 10-20 mg ed

and would 50mcg ed day be enough to see any gains,and also do I need to split my igf-1 injections to make two shots a day or would one shot a day be good.

**Pinnacle** · 08-29-2005, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by cmillett

Ok does this look any better,

weeks 1-12 test-e at 500mg
weeks 1-5 igf-1 at 50mcg ed
weeks 11-15 igf-1 at 50 mcg ed
weeks 15-17 clomid treatment
weeks 1-17 nolvadex 10-20 mg ed

and would 50mcg ed day be enough to see any gains,and also do I need to split my igf-1 injections to make two shots a day or would one shot a day be good.

Run your second IGF cycle through PCT.It will help tremendously.
50 mcgs is plenty your first time.Do your shot post workout.Make sure you use a 80g dextrose/40g whey combo for PWO shake to avoid lethargy.1 hr later have a pro/carb meal and you'll be good to go.

~Pinnacle~

**cmillett** · 08-29-2005, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Run your second IGF cycle through PCT.It will help tremendously.
50 mcgs is plenty your first time.Do your shot post workout.Make sure you use a 80g dextrose/40g whey combo for PWO shake to avoid lethargy.1 hr later have a pro/carb meal and you'll be good to go.

~Pinnacle~

thanks man,well I guess its time to order,I'll let every body know how it goes,again thanks everybody

**Nicky B** · 08-29-2005, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by cmillett

Ok does this look any better,

weeks 1-12 test-e at 500mg
weeks 1-5 igf-1 at 50mcg ed
weeks 11-15 igf-1 at 50 mcg ed
weeks 15-17 clomid treatment
weeks 1-17 nolvadex 10-20 mg ed

and would 50mcg ed day be enough to see any gains,and also do I need to split my igf-1 injections to make two shots a day or would one shot a day be good.

Have the igf-1 12-16. And you are good to go.