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08-29-2005, 12:06 PM #1New Member
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Cutting Up!!!
I have done quite a bit of reading but there seems to be so much info that it is sometimes overwhelming...
My goal is to cut fat and lean up.
I am 5'9", 210lbs. I have not run a cycle yet. I don't want to get bigger. I just want to lean out.
Which would an experienced user recommend for leaning?
1. Test P/Winny
2. Winny/Clen
My optimal diet is to eat 5-6 times per day...clean and do cardio 3 times per week for 45 minutes (stationary bike).
I was going to run an 8 week cycle.
Which would you guys recommend? Also, do I need to run PCT no matter what if on Test Prop or will my natural test levels come back over time?
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08-29-2005, 12:12 PM #2Originally Posted by u2norton
If you are only looking at cutting and not so much about gaining size, why not stick with a very strict diet/cardio and suppliment with clen, ECY (ephadrine, caffine, yohimbine hcl) or even T3 in the later stages to shed the last bit of fat off of you.
But to answer your last question...yes you do need to do proper PCT after using prop cuz it will shut down your htpa. You will need clomid therapy for 21 days.
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08-29-2005, 12:14 PM #3New Member
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08-29-2005, 12:17 PM #4Originally Posted by u2norton
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08-29-2005, 12:20 PM #5
theo nly problem with everyone advising for T3 is that without some AS in there it will eat muscle too.
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08-29-2005, 12:20 PM #6Originally Posted by RoidGut
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08-29-2005, 12:23 PM #7New Member
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i have clen in liquid format. i cannot find a thread in here on how to take it properly. can someone help me?
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08-29-2005, 12:25 PM #8Originally Posted by magicstick2003
But from what his goals are, I think that a dose as little as 30-40 mcg of T3 with the clen will get him where he wants to go....but I still think the ECY is better to start off with...
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08-29-2005, 12:27 PM #9Originally Posted by u2norton
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08-29-2005, 12:27 PM #10
clen 's pretty easy. start out low, then slowly increase till the sides become almost too much. then when you acclimate to that dose up the dose again just slightly. I dont know the concetration you have but start out somewhere probably around 40-50 mcg (you could start lower but personaly experience those doses weren;t bad)
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08-29-2005, 12:38 PM #11New Member
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thanks for the info. i think i might try the following:
Day 1 - 2 Clen 60mcg
Day 3 Clen 80mcg
Day 4 - 5 Clen 100mcg
Day 5 Clen 100mcg
Day 6 - 7 Clen 120mcg
Day 8 - 14 Clen off
then from there on, Clen at 120mcg for 2 weeks on, then 2 weeks off
But what about Winstrol ? I thought that it would really cut me up as well...
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08-29-2005, 12:50 PM #12Originally Posted by u2norton
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08-29-2005, 12:56 PM #13
yeah man...i gave you the link to that profile....
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08-29-2005, 01:02 PM #14New Member
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yeah, i read the profile you gave me...my last question...will i achieve better cuts incorporating winstrol into the mix?
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08-29-2005, 01:21 PM #15Originally Posted by u2norton
But if you don't want to take my word for it....go ahead and keep asking till you get what you want to hear....or just go ahead and do it...just don't say i didn't tell you so
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08-29-2005, 01:26 PM #16
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08-29-2005, 01:34 PM #17New Member
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i read your review. that's what i thought about winny by reading everything but this guy i work with took winny and test prop and he said the CUTTING results were phenom!
however, he is on so much sh@t that i don't what stack is doing what to him anymore. he advised me to take a test prop/winny stack and that i would be very happy with the results...particularly the cutting results.
that's why i keep asking the question of whether it is better to take clen vs. test prop/winny.
obviously, the clen is going to cut and keep my body in an anabolic state. however, are the results going to better on an 8 wk run of test p/winny?
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08-29-2005, 01:42 PM #18
no worries bro....i didn't mean to come off like that...must be my tren cycle catching up with me
but yeah...as for your "friend", I wouldn't go by what he is telling you too much. I also know ppl that claim they did this and that but are lying straight to your face.
This friend of your wouldn't happen to be the one selling you this stuff is he??
If he is, don't listen to him...yes, prop/winnie will work for cutting, many ppl here use it with good reslts. The only thing I am saying is that it is better not to use AAS if you don't have to. By simply following a strict diet and supplimenting like I said, you will get the results you are looking for without screwing around with gear.
Later on, when you feel you are up to it, you can take your winnie/prop cycle and cut up the rest of the way.
Good luck
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08-29-2005, 01:44 PM #19Originally Posted by u2norton
I think you're looking to use anabolics for the wrong reasons.That's my thought on that!
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08-29-2005, 01:50 PM #20New Member
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thanks for the info. i appreciate it. with my diet and cardio in check, i have cut in the past. i thought the use of AAS (particularly test prop/winny) for 1 8 week cycle would give me even better results than just doing it naturally...without any long term sides or damage.
funny thing is...my friend is NOT the one selling to me... but he told me with running that gear with a good diet, i could look like stallone did in the later rocky movies. so i thought to myself, what the hell...the least i could do is research it.
i wouldn't be opposed to gaining some size if i was replacing fat with lean muscle so i thought prop/winny would be awesome for 8 weeks.
and one last question, after the 8 weeks are up, should i use nolvadex for PCT?
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08-29-2005, 01:53 PM #21New Member
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forgot to mention, i've read/heard a good cycle to run is 75mg Test Prop/Winny EOD for 8 weeks...
that sound ok?
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08-29-2005, 01:55 PM #22
Do you guys not think that T4 would be safer than T3??
Eat clean,at least 20 min hard cardio per day, 1st thing in the morning if poss and you cant fail. It worked for me!!!
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08-29-2005, 02:08 PM #23Originally Posted by u2norton
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08-29-2005, 02:10 PM #24Originally Posted by montysimon
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08-29-2005, 02:59 PM #25
Cos T3 i more likley to damage your thyroid gland, T4 is much safer!!
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