2 on/ 4 off

**Swole33** · 08-31-2005, 10:13 PM

Recently i figured out that i wont stop juicing anytime soon. So i have been researching 2 weeks on 4 weeks off cycles. What are ya'll experiences with these short cycles, and what are your drug regimes?

**Pinnacle** · 08-31-2005, 10:24 PM

I can't think of any drug worth running for 2 weeks to see gains.
Maybe Test suspension,that's it.Even that's too short.

~Pinnacle~

**juicy_brucy** · 08-31-2005, 11:53 PM

2 weeks? Don't bother.
Nuff said.

**Seattle Junk** · 08-31-2005, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

I can't think of any drug worth running for 2 weeks to see gains.
Maybe Test suspension,that's it.Even that's too short.

~Pinnacle~

I knew you would be the first one responding here....

**zircon** · 09-01-2005, 12:39 AM

Works for me so far. Done 3 x 2 weeks cycles. prop 100mg eod, tren 50mg eod. Gained and kept 2kg on each of the first 2 cycles.

Added 30mg tbol to the last cycle. Even though I got sick I'm up 3 kg after finishing the cycle.

I'll keep using them.

I'd say use tbol/dbol /prop/tren/npp

Frontload the injectables (I didn't have to though, I respond easily to AAS it seems). Continue orals till 4 days after last injection. PCT for me is nolva 20mg 14 days.

**chest6** · 09-01-2005, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by zircon

Works for me so far. Done 3 x 2 weeks cycles. prop 100mg eod, tren 50mg eod. Gained and kept 2kg on each of the first 2 cycles.

Added 30mg tbol to the last cycle. Even though I got sick I'm up 3 kg after finishing the cycle.

I'll keep using them.

I'd say use tbol/dbol /prop/tren/npp

Frontload the injectables (I didn't have to though, I respond easily to AAS it seems). Continue orals till 4 days after last injection. PCT for me is nolva 20mg 14 days.

u frontload prop?

**zircon** · 09-01-2005, 06:34 AM

I put 150mg instead of 100mg for the first shot.

But most people use quite a bit more than me,

eg 150mg prop eod
100mg tren eod

or 40mg dbol
100mg tren eod
a bit of prop optional

I dunno, you'd have to see how you react to it. I have to be patient...but in the long run it's worth it...I mean 3 short cycles 6-7 kg...lowered bf...sur eit took 18 weeks in the end, but I'm not gonna stop now...I will gain 2 kg on each one for a while

**Titan1** · 09-01-2005, 07:12 AM

maybe 4weeks on 4off but not 2-4 thats to short

**Swole33** · 09-01-2005, 10:45 AM

i know it seems kinda short but i have been reading alot of Bill Roberts articles at meso, and he says those 2 on 4 off cycles are better for someone who wants physical enhancement with less supression than longer cycles. Also i stumbed on european bodybuilings views and they feel that using long estherd compounds are a quote"horror" because you cant control the side eff? the shortest cycle i have ever done is 6 weeks, and the longest is 12.
Anymore views on the short cycles?

**Swole33** · 09-01-2005, 10:49 AM

to ask a question off zircons reply,
if i were to try 40mg dbol for 14 days
tren day, 1,3,5,7,9,11
i would probably use letro through out. i cant figure out what bill roberts states to use for PCT. clomid or nov for the last 4? hcg ? confussed..