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    Can someone fill in the blanks for me?

    Steroid newbie here. Did some research but could not find the answers. About to do 2nc cycle with Fina, Prop, Dbol and Winny.
    I understand that Prop is oil based and require 23 gauge syringe to inject it. What about Fina and winny? Is Fina oil based? Also, winny is water based and requires a different gauge...what is it?
    Another question, size of the needles when injecting on specific body parts:

    Glutes: 1.5 inch
    Deltoids: 1 inch
    Biceps: _____ inches??
    Legs:_____ inches???
    Calf:_____inches ????

    Thanks for the answers in advance.

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    23g is OK,but 25g is painless and leaves no mark.


    1 1/2 " 25g for glutes

    1" 25g for all other sites.

    You'll need 20g 1" pins for drawing the solution up,then switch pin to desired length.

    Fina is oil based.

    Do yourself a favor and drink the winny.Just squirt it in your mouth.

    Do Not shoot in your calves!!!!!

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    1.5 25 g pins are mt fav...drink the winny...

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    25 g for life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedDemon
    Steroid newbie here. Did some research but could not find the answers. About to do 2nc cycle with Fina, Prop, Dbol and Winny.
    I understand that Prop is oil based and require 23 gauge syringe to inject it. What about Fina and winny? Is Fina oil based? Also, winny is water based and requires a different gauge...what is it?
    Another question, size of the needles when injecting on specific body parts:

    Glutes: 1.5 inch
    Deltoids: 1 inch
    Biceps: _____ inches??
    Legs:_____ inches???
    Calf:_____inches ????

    Thanks for the answers in advance.
    Running 2 17aa's in the same cycle isnt the best idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ejuicer
    Running 2 17aa's in the same cycle isnt the best idea
    I didn't even want to get into his choices for his first cycle.
    A little heavy for a first run,on top of what you pointed out.


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    Actually he said it is his 2nd cycle but I agree I don't like it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ejuicer
    Running 2 17aa's in the same cycle isnt the best idea

    I understand Dianabol is one of the 17AA's....I am unaware of the other one? Is it Winny?What is wrong about running two 17aa's together? Is it because it is liver toxic? I thought high dosage milk thistle would solve that problem. Also....I still dunno what to use in case i decide to inject winny ....what kind of gauge do u use for water based steroids period? Thanks

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    dbol & winny are both 17aa. run the dbol in the beginning, time on=time off, then take the winny at the end, if you want to take both. I wouldn't though

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    Go for 18 G "The Cannon".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Khadafi
    dbol & winny are both 17aa. run the dbol in the beginning, time on=time off, then take the winny at the end, if you want to take both. I wouldn't though
    Is it not still better to inject the winny if the pain can be withstood?
    Last edited by big an rich; 09-04-2005 at 03:17 PM.

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    I do 27 and 30g needles often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unoid
    I do 27 and 30g needles often.
    wher, in your vein?

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmike
    Go for 18 G "The Cannon".
    The Cannon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I use that to draw and makes me cringe just looking at it

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    Pinnacle's right. I also agree it's too heavy a cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WelshWarrior
    Pinnacle's right. I also agree it's too heavy a cycle.


    Ok....cool...I still don't understand why not use two 17aa's together...oh well....I am aware that Fina and prop together are a must. So which one should a dump? Winny or Dbol ...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedDemon
    Ok....cool...I still don't understand why not use two 17aa's together...oh well....I am aware that Fina and prop together are a must. So which one should a dump? Winny or Dbol...?
    Firstly I think that is a horrible cycle!!! I dont see what ur trying to achieve with this cycle, using strong bulking compounds and cutting compounds at the same time. Using 2 17aa orals is by the way extremely harsh on ur liver.

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    dump the dbol and the winny....take some var at the last 8 weeeks of your cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by bignatt
    dump the dbol and the winny....take some var at the last 8 weeeks of your cycle
    Yeh no winny or dbol and add var, or u cud even go for some halo.

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