1st Cycle

**Iron Hyde** · 09-01-2005, 12:26 AM

Hey yall ive been snooping around this forum for a while now and only just registered. I want some advice on my 1st cycle (2nd actualy i f@#$d up a dbol only cycle a few years ago) ive done lots of research and think im ready to start a proper one now. My goals are to gain mass but to get shredded. I want to do some Test but the only stuff i can get here is sus250 i got d bol and clen and some HCG could yall plse set me right. These are more or less what i can get, the only thing that scares me is the sus cos i read that it no good for the beginers.
Thanx a mill

**chest6** · 09-01-2005, 12:48 AM

sus no good for beginners?? u prolly saw that on steroid .com which needs updating. I dont see a problem with sust for a beginner, even tho i would recommend test e. 10 weeks 500mg 2wice a week should work fine.

**Latimus** · 09-01-2005, 02:11 AM

I would agree sust to not be ideal for beginners...everyday/everyother day shots...bit of a pain.....if i were you i would look at test cyp 500mgs per week in 2 shots, and 500mgs eq in 2 shots, you shoot one mL of each in the same pin 2x a week....and i would also run some winny tabs for the first 6 weeks, test and eq for 16 since you have some cycle history.......i think winny, test, eq will get you the lean muscle mass you seem to be looking for

remember to do a proper pct

goodluck

**cubanojoe** · 09-01-2005, 05:15 AM

If all you can get is sustanon 250 you will be fine. Shoot it 2 times a week for a total of 500mg a week and run it for 12 weeks and you will see good gains.

***JohnnyB*** · 09-01-2005, 08:31 AM

The whole idea of eod shots is to take advantage of the prop in it, but there's only 30mg or so in it, so it doesn't mean much. I wouldn't do the d-bol, since you want to lose b/f

JohnnyB

**powerliftmike** · 09-01-2005, 11:48 AM

I agree with JohnnyB. You will still have good gains with 2wice wk injections of sustanon or maybe even once week, since it contains long acting esters. Dbol does pack on the fat tho.

**Iron Hyde** · 09-01-2005, 04:06 PM

Thanx for the heads up yall, yea pct is paramount. any thoughts on the clen . my source recomends that i run a clen only cycle before doing the sus cycle, but i think he is just a middle man and he looks like he is on crystal meth so i wont take too much into what he says.
So a sus250 and ?? winny ?? or the clen
What pct to use
Thanx agen

**mark956101957** · 09-01-2005, 05:35 PM

Ya meth would definitley thin you out. Clen would be better and I don't think it would be a bad idea if you really are several % b.f. overweight to loose that first before going on a cycle because no matter what you take AAS won't neccesarily lean you out.

**big_C** · 09-01-2005, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Latimus

I would agree sust to not be ideal for beginners...everyday/everyother day shots...bit of a pain.....if i were you i would look at test cyp 500mgs per week in 2 shots, and 500mgs eq in 2 shots, you shoot one mL of each in the same pin 2x a week....and i would also run some winny tabs for the first 6 weeks, test and eq for 16 since you have some cycle history.......i think winny, test, eq will get you the lean muscle mass you seem to be looking for

remember to do a proper pct

goodluck

Why would you inject sust 250 ED?? You don't need to. Twice a week is enough. You must be thinking of test suspension, not sust 250. Anyway, sust is ok for a first timer...although cyp or Enan would suit you better. Try and get some EQ, you'll be glad you did. D-Bol...if you have it, use it, light doses though for first time.

**BOBO ZOBA** · 09-01-2005, 05:55 PM

For begginer d-bol and deca is better, but you still can do d-bol sust on small dosages like i sustanon weekly and lets say about15-20 d-bol

**Iron Hyde** · 09-01-2005, 06:30 PM

Yea i might do the clen cycle for 2 weeks on two weeks off till i get to desired bf%.
Is sus ok by itself for a first proper cycle? Dont think i can get test e/c/p ill have to ask my source. I can get D Bol easy but dont think i wanna use that just yet and eq and winny are available just gta pay a bit more for those.

**chest6** · 09-01-2005, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by BOBO ZOBA

For begginer d-bol and deca is better, but you still can do d-bol sust on small dosages like i sustanon weekly and lets say about15-20 d-bol

Hey..u wanna stop giving advice for awhile??? Cuz it is far from correct.

**FINAMAN** · 09-01-2005, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

Hey..u wanna stop giving advice for awhile??? Cuz it is far from correct.

holy shit. This guy has been giving wrong advice to people on every thread. Sometimes it doesnt even make sense lol. Some one ban his ass I think hes doing it on purpose.

**edmen2** · 09-01-2005, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by BOBO ZOBA

For begginer d-bol and deca is better, but you still can do d-bol sust on small dosages like i sustanon weekly and lets say about15-20 d-bol

**Iron Hyde** · 09-02-2005, 12:38 AM

So will sus by itself be ok or should i run something else with it
Cheers

**Doors** · 09-02-2005, 01:32 AM

Bump

**grimnlock** · 09-02-2005, 02:01 AM

Sust @500mg/week
2 shots/week
You should be fine

**cubanojoe** · 09-02-2005, 03:21 AM

run sustanon alone and do not stack it with anything else and see how you react to it. You will see good gains from 500mg a week.

**Iron Hyde** · 09-05-2005, 08:42 PM

Sounds good guys. Sust for 10-12 weeks @ 500mgs a week, is that injecting ed, eod or twice a week?
How about pct. HCG straight after and nolva during

**chest6** · 09-05-2005, 10:41 PM

you can do twice a week...if you really wanted to (for some reason) you could do eod
I like this pct setup
1-4 nolva 20mg ed
day 1-clomid 300mg day2-7100mg week 2-4 clomid 50mg (all ed)

**lean123** · 09-05-2005, 11:11 PM

eh jus adding my 2 cents....
Dbol and test e @ 500mg (split 250mg twice a week),
and proper pcts....
This seems to be a beginners favorite....

~Lean

**Iron Hyde** · 09-06-2005, 01:03 AM

Thanx yall
Im gna just stick with the sust for now and do it properly with the proper pct, shall i do a clen cycle 1st or during the cycle, just need to get rid of some extra bf