Cycle Help

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 03:59 PM

Hey Fellas, I am trying to figure out a plan on how to run the following items that i have now.

Winny 50mg - 20ml
Primo 100mg - 10ml
Deca 300mg - 10ml
Test Prop. 100mg - 10ml
Var 5mg - 100 tabs
Clen 200mcg - 30 pills

Can any of you guys help me get on the right track with these? I am trying to cut up for the first time ever. Bulking up has always been so easy for me, but that cutting thing is a monster. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jray Wonder

**hosam4ever** · 09-06-2005, 04:08 PM

i think u need more items 2 run a good cycle at least 10 weeks

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:13 PM

what more do you recommend?

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

Hey Fellas, I am trying to figure out a plan on how to run the following items that i have now.

Winny 50mg - 20ml
Primo 100mg - 10ml
Deca 300mg - 10ml
Test Prop. 100mg - 10ml
Var 5mg - 100 tabs
Clen 200mcg - 30 pills

Can any of you guys help me get on the right track with these? I am trying to cut up for the first time ever. Bulking up has always been so easy for me, but that cutting thing is a monster. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jray Wonder

You dont really have enough of anything. And deca also isn't an ideal item for a cutter.
Whats your previous cycle history look like?

**Swifto** · 09-06-2005, 04:18 PM

Prop/Var cycle is an excellent way to add a small amount of quality muscle and cut also.

You've got Prop 100mg/ml. Injecting 100mg/ED is 700mg/wk, run for 8 weeks, 5600mg. So you need 5 more vials. Run Var for the final 6 weeks (42 days) at 60mg/ED, thats 2520mg. You need 5 more packs of Var if they come at 5mg/100.

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:20 PM

Well the only thing that i ever did was test 400 and it hurt like hell! my buddy was telling to try tren e but to answer the question, i ran test400 by itself as a first time AAS user. Did it for 10 weeks

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:26 PM

ok what do you guys think about this:
weeks 1-4
Deca , Var
weeks 5-8
winny, primo
weeks 8-12
Deca
How would that do? and if i could, at what phase could i use the prop?

**Swifto** · 09-06-2005, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

ok what do you guys think about this:
weeks 1-4
Deca , Var
weeks 5-8
winny, primo
weeks 8-12
Deca
How would that do? and if i could, at what phase could i use the prop?

This is all wrong. You need to research on the differnt compounds you have and how they work when combined and run alone. What dosages and durations.

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

ok what do you guys think about this:
weeks 1-4
Deca , Var
weeks 5-8
winny, primo
weeks 8-12
Deca
How would that do? and if i could, at what phase could i use the prop?

No...
Deca needs to ran for min of 10-12 weeks in order for it to be effective. Running it for 4 weeks at a time will do nothing, and as I previously mentioned it isnt a good cutting drug. It causes a lot of water retention. It also requires the use of testosterone simultaneously unless you want problems...
You're also wanting to running 2 17aa's back to back for 8 weeks straight. Not the best idea either
Primo at a low dose for 4 weeks wont do a whole lot either. Even at a higher dose for longer wont do much for men imo.
As already mentioned prop and var would be a good cutter for you. Get more gear.

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:35 PM

ok, i hear you on that, i was reading some things just now on this subject and it doesnt really grab me right. I am thinking that the win and prop would go great obviously with var later on like down the road in the cycle. I need to get more of those items to make a complete cycle. Can the primo pay a good role in the cutting cycle?

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:38 PM

good look'n out EJuice, appreciate the info, I'll get on the right track surely, still very brand new at this, so bear with me. looks like i'll be holding on to some of this stuff and using the recommended gear for now.

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:39 PM

I wouldn't bother. Primo is more for women then anything.

**Jae200** · 09-06-2005, 04:41 PM

hey im going to start my cycle soon of cypiotest 250 (denkal) and run 10 weeks @ 2cc a week : what should i run along with it ?? any supplements that are for good affect and (besides diet and protein ) and what should i take after the cycle to recover my own test production ? i want to do this right the first time? <jae200>

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:41 PM

You've used that EQ EJuice? How did it go and for what did you use it for, Bulk or Cut?

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jae200

hey im going to start my cycle soon of cypiotest 250 (denkal) and run 10 weeks @ 2cc a week : what should i run along with it ?? any supplements that are for good affect and (besides diet and protein ) and what should i take after the cycle to recover my own test production ? i want to do this right the first time? <jae200>

You should start your own thread with questions like this.

That's fine to run by itself with a proper diet with some prop to jump start it for the first 4 weeks. Check out the pct forum for recovery.

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:46 PM

and with the clen , how do i incorporate that into the cycle?
200mcg per pill and i have 30 pills now but will have more in a few days.
i weigh 235 and i am 6'0" tall, BF 18%

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

You've used that EQ EJuice? How did it go and for what did you use it for, Bulk or Cut?

Both. Not the best thing for bulking, but it helped me to look a little more solid while I was putting back the calories. I prefer for cutting, gives you a nice hard grainy look with fullness and great vascularity. Keep in mind that needs to be run for at least 12 weeks or so in case you were thinking about using it for cutting.

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

and with the clen , how do i incorporate that into the cycle?
200mcg per pill and i have 30 pills now but will have more in a few days.
i weigh 235 and i am 6'0" tall, BF 18%

Pyramid up 20 mcg per day until you reach maximum dose 140-160. Run benadryl every 3rd week for the entire week before bed. That's one of many ways to run it and is the one that I use regularily.

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:52 PM

yea, i think that would be good in place of the deca ideal. I'll set the deca aside for now. so the plan is this: eq, test prop., winny, var, clen ..pct nolva..cycle duration 12weeks with, do you have an idea for the lengths of usage for each of these and at what phase/week should i begin to use each?

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 04:56 PM

one thing is for sure, i dont have to worry about gyno, had that surgery years ago, i hated it but i had to get it

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

yea, i think that would be good in place of the deca ideal. I'll set the deca aside for now. so the plan is this: eq, test prop., winny, var, clen..pct nolva..cycle duration 12weeks with, do you have an idea for the lengths of usage for each of these and at what phase/week should i begin to use each?

You still dont want to combine var and winny. As I mentioned 2 17aa's in the same cycle are going to be hard on your body.

**Ejuicer** · 09-06-2005, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

one thing is for sure, i dont have to worry about gyno, had that surgery years ago, i hated it but i had to get it

Gyno can still come back even if you have had the surgery.

**Jray1der** · 09-06-2005, 05:03 PM

you know it is funny you said that because the other day i was feeling a little sore aroung the nipple area, then a few days later it chilled out, got me checking for lumps and everything now. Glad you said that, so now my thoughts at the were true. ok on the var thing so at what point will i run the var?

**redman9** · 09-06-2005, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jray1der

Hey Fellas, I am trying to figure out a plan on how to run the following items that i have now.

Winny 50mg - 20ml
Primo 100mg - 10ml
Deca 300mg - 10ml
Test Prop. 100mg - 10ml
Var 5mg - 100 tabs
Clen 200mcg - 30 pills

Can any of you guys help me get on the right track with these? I am trying to cut up for the first time ever. Bulking up has always been so easy for me, but that cutting thing is a monster. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jray Wonder

Bro looks like a good cycle, but you will need more to run it for 10 weeks like someone said What are your stats? How many cycles have you ran?? I have heard Just because you had surgery for gyno it can still come back so you should run a pct just incase bro.. If running a pct what one would you run??