Starting cycle

**doonya** · 09-06-2005, 10:29 PM

Hey guys. I'm starting my cycle of Dbal and test.
When do I take nolvadex ? I was told 4 days before the cycle then someone else said after, which one is right.
Also do need a PCT too?

**doonya** · 09-06-2005, 11:33 PM

Please help, this will be my first.

**hulkzer** · 09-07-2005, 12:07 AM

if this is your first cycle i would drop the dbol . test should be ran about 500mg/wk(mon,thurs). if your not gyno pron the just stick to l-dex .25 ed or eod and keep the nolva for pct or if you see any signs of gyno.
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**doonya** · 09-07-2005, 12:14 AM

Thanks bro but I got the dbal already is it bad to use it first time out?

**bignatt** · 09-07-2005, 12:15 AM

You should still run nolva at 10mg/day for you rlipid profiel throughout your cycle

**bignatt** · 09-07-2005, 12:16 AM

also if your gona use the dbol use it no higher than 20mg/day its your first time your not gonna need that much and no longer than 4 weeks

**hulkzer** · 09-07-2005, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by doonya

Thanks bro but I got the dbal already is it bad to use it first time out?

not really, don't go higher than 30mg a day. take milk thisle and keep hydrated. its good to see how your body reacts to one compound the next time start staking to see what works for you. jmo
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**doonya** · 09-07-2005, 12:23 AM

Thanks guys.
What about this Clomi and Letro on this site, is that cool to buy?

**bignatt** · 09-07-2005, 12:25 AM

Look up pheednos PCT that should explain what you need to know

**ODC0717** · 09-07-2005, 12:33 AM

you can get all you pct needs with the exception of hcg as ar-r .com. Yes, all their products are good. If you go with the letro then you wouldn't need to run ldex at the same time, because they are both AI's.

**bignatt** · 09-07-2005, 12:34 AM

Id go ldex instead of letro

**doonya** · 09-07-2005, 12:41 AM

So I can do letro as anti-Es and Clomi as PCT or thats not enough?

**bignatt** · 09-07-2005, 12:42 AM

ldex nolva and clomid refer to pheednos pct in the pct section

**ODC0717** · 09-07-2005, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by bignatt

ldex nolva and clomid refer to pheednos pct in the pct section

thought I'd do the work since you've recomended it twice...

Pheedno's PCT

read that and you should know better what and when you'll need to begin PCT.

**bignatt** · 09-07-2005, 12:47 AM

haha thank you odc sometimes you just have to everything and im just not motivated currently

**doonya** · 09-07-2005, 12:49 AM

Yeah thanks I appreciate the wisdom.

**ODC0717** · 09-07-2005, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by bignatt

haha thank you odc sometimes you just have to everything and im just not motivated currently

That's why I'm here bro.

**bigJJ** · 09-07-2005, 02:36 AM

Coming from one who just finished the Dbol section of his cycle... Definately use the anti-E (whichever one you choose) while on. I went almost two weeks without one (just to test a theory) and the bloating was stupid/ridiculous.

I started using 10mg of nolva (tamox) starting on (almost) week three. About four days after I started it, I finally didn't feel like I was going to pass a watermelon anymore.

Great size gains, just use that anti-E the whole time. IMHO

BTW... No signs of gyno, just bloating. Used Naposims. Used Tamox from AR-R . And yes, my sodium intake was probably a little too high (can't always blame the suppliments)