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When will you start seeing bodyweight increases and strength increases from test e administration by itself? I thought you would see immediate increases, though it wouldn't reach its max effectiveness until 5 weeks in...is this true?
Is frontloading (like dbol and abombs) for 2-4 weeks "necessary" for long acting test esters?
~Pinnacle~Quote:
Originally Posted by powerliftmike
Haha, cool. I must say Pinnacle your posts are very helpful, thanks man.
frontloading, on paper, makes perfect logical sense...however, as far as realworld results, i'm not sure it's proven to be more effective...shooting twice as much test the first week of your cycle, will in fact bring your serum levels to maximum much faster than not frontloading, so again, technically, it's an optimal route
Not necessary but why waste the first few weeks when you can start strength and size gains immediately .
I've ran 2g of Test before.It didn't kick in any faster at all.I still had to wait the 3-4 weeks like everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha-Male
So by the logic of frontloading.I should have been in gear by week 2 running 2g of Test.Sorry,it didn't happen.I know others that did similar,and didn't happen for them either.
~Pinnacle~
i've heard guys reporting sides kicking in sooner when frontloading, but not gains, generally not worth it from what i've heard, i prefer to kickstart with an oral, or if you wanted to go the injectible route you could kickstart with some test prop
allwase heard not too front lad test
i strongly suggest bridging that 4 week period before the test-kick with 40 mg dbol ED. not only will you get pretty nice gains from the dbol, but you will get quick results, better training intensity (to put ON those clean lbs) and then once you quit dbol, the test will more then likely solidify those dbol gains that tend to go away after discontinuing dbol. the test itself will put on solid, quality mass. but if you were to throw in that extra dbol as a 4-week "bridge", you'll get even more mass and it'll be kept in place by the following test. as always PCT is a big factor in keeping those final lbs, but, you get the idea...
dude, just because you didn't "feel" it kicking in any faster, doesn't negate the fact that your serum levels are POSITIVELY maximized faster than when you do not...check with Truman, he's posted on this extensively with the data...like i said, i've also done it with and without, and haven't noticed a huge difference, but that doesn't mean shit...personally, i'd rather have my levels at max sooner than later...and yes, kicking in with dbol will jack your strength levels up at a much quicker pace, so that's a viable option as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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wait, i just reread what you wrote...
if you're using 2g/wk of test, the LOGIC behind frontloading would have required you to run 4g for your first week, and then back down to 2g/wk for the remainder...not sure if that's what you were trying to say that you did, but if you didnt, you certainly did not frontload...
everything the majority of vets on this board are attempting to do on a daily basis, besides help newbies, is search for ways to maximize our gains, and frontloading, on paper, is without a doubt, one of the ways to do that...
another fact, in case you care to debate further, i've never had to run 2g/wk of test to get where i am, never gone above 750mg/wk for that matter, so obviously, one might say i've been able to maximize my aas usage, eh?
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Alpha male you took the words right out of my mouth,,,totaly agree with your comments...