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    Review Bulk Cycle

    Week|Testosterone |Deca -Durabolin |Dianabol |Nolva

    1|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week|25-30 mg/day|-

    2|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week|25-30 mg/day|-

    3|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week|25-30 mg/day|-

    4|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week|25-30 mg/day|-

    5|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week|25-30 mg/day|-

    6|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week|25-30 mg/day|-

    7|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    8|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    9|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    10|500 mg/week|200-400 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    11 X X X X

    12 X X X 40 mg/day

    13 X X X 40 mg/day

    14 X X X 40 mg/day

    15 X X X 40 mg/day -


    that's what i had originally planned to use. then, after hours more of researching deca, i learned it can shut you down pretty hard. from that, i thought about using that layout, but completely removing the deca from it, as i would still have near-immediate gains/effects felt from "bridging" with dbol . the test is the base, obviously, but im not sure whether to run it @ 500mg/wk or 600mg/wk. i know 400mg is usually bashed for giving off little to no gains, so i thought "why would 500mg make a 100% difference?" anyway, test is the base, and dbol is a good gainer + bridge until the test kicks in (notice how i stop dbol when estimated time of "test kick" occurs)

    so, what do you guys think? all my nutrition is spot on, just renewed the ol' gym membership. i have the "FOUNDATION CYCLE"(lol) on it's way along with a bag full of the essentials: b12, milk thistle, multi, calcium etc.... thanks for any input, and i hope through examining my cycle, other novice/moderate users will have an idea of a stack possibility.

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    according to your chart, you're running the dbol for 6 weeks....i would only run it for 4, you want to kickstart with dbol until your test kicks in, right? test will start kicking in around week 4, so i would only run the dbol for 3, maybe 4 weeks...not to mention how harsh it can be on your liver..and i would up the dose of dbol to 35-40 mg/day..i think you will see better results with that dose over a shorter period of time, than running it for 6 weeks

    i would run the test/deca like this
    wks 1-11 test 500mg/week
    1-10 deca 400mg/week

    i dont know if you're planning to run nolva the whole way through, but it's a good idea. start with 10mg/day, and up it if you see gyno symptoms

    is clomid a part of your PCT?

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    mostly agree...i'd also frontload the test, 1000mg first week, and use proviron instead of nolva (keep on hand JIC, and use for pct)...JMO

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    well, 1st, thx for the advice. i was considering the same shit as far as length vs potentcy with dbol . your ideas make sense, so i will up dbol doses a bit for better gains and a better bridge. i'm still not really a fan of deca in my 2nd cycle... just sounds too hard. then again, maybe i should dedicate tonight just to deca research and maybe learn something by tomorrow. as for clomid, you tell me! i have no idea whether ima use it or not. "Blurred vision and frequent headaches" dont sound fun... gimme your thoughts.

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    yeah, check Hook's profiles for clomid and nolva, and since youre there, might as well read up on deca ...it's not as harsh as you think...you're the first person i've heard refer to it that way...it's actually a relatively mild compound...

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    i don't get any problems from the clomid....i think it's not as harsh as some people say it is...but everyone is different, and it may really affect you...but i always take it for pct, and always recommend it

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    so then completely leave off nolva? use clomid EXCLUSIVELY for the PCT? seems a little under-kill...

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    well, here's my final thought:

    Week|Testosterone |Dianabol |Clomid

    1|600 mg/week|40-45 mg/day|-

    2|600 mg/week|40-45 mg/day|-

    3|600 mg/week|40-45 mg/day|-

    4|500 mg/week|40-45 mg/day|-

    5|500 mg/week| - | - |

    6|500 mg/week| - | - |

    7|500 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    8|500 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    9|500 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    10|500 mg/week| X | 20 mg/day?

    11 X X X X

    12 X X X 40 mg/day

    13 X X X 40 mg/day

    14 X X X 40 mg/day

    15 X X X 40 mg/day

    i decided not to risk using deca , especially when you see threads like "i cant cum!!!!" and you know it's deca-related...i'm not 100% sure on the clomid dosing. you guys have any ideas? i went with clomid over nolva, hope you guys are right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vein-x
    so then completely leave off nolva? use clomid EXCLUSIVELY for the PCT? seems a little under-kill...
    naw, nolva for pct, on hand during...some don't like clomid, and nolva, mg/mg, is more effective

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