Steroids are making me weak..

**KaevurMati** · 09-11-2005, 12:43 PM

I really don't know what's going on.

It's 6th week of Test Enanthate (500 mg/week), EQ (400 mg/week), HGH (4 iu/ED) and Insulin (8 iu/ED) and none of them has kicked in. In fact, I'm even weaker (weights have dropped 5-10 lbs) in some exercises.

Since I've researched for years, I'm quite sure that everything should be correct:

1) I'm eating 360g protein, 500g carbs and 100g fats a day. (I'm 180 lbs / 82 kg, 8 % BF).
2) I'm sleeping 10 hours a day.
3) I'm taking a shitload of vitamins.
4) I'm using a lot of healthy supplements (like hawthrone berry tea etc).
5) My training plan is quite intensive.
6) I train one muscle 3 times in 2 weeks or sometimes even 2 times a week.
7) The gear is from very trustworthy source.

I have noticed one serious change too. Last few days I'm getting pumped very very easily (especially biceps, forearms) and it's hard to continue training. Muscles hurt more when training with same weights as I have used to. Although I'm bigger after workout than I was before cycle, the pump is gone in like 15 mins after workout.

So basically for weights and size nothing has changed (if not gone worse) compared to 6 weeks before.

I've heard that normal time for Test E and EQ to kick in is 4-5 weeks. Isn't it strange that it's 6th week and the gear still hasn't kicked in?? If it hasn't kicked in by 6th week, will it ever do?

**Titan1** · 09-11-2005, 12:48 PM

maybe you got fake gear and remember its not good to take a shitload of vitamins some vitamins can actually damage your body if you take to much of it

**slooby** · 09-11-2005, 12:48 PM

the only thing i could think of is the gear is jack

**KaevurMati** · 09-11-2005, 01:36 PM

The gear isn't fake for sure.

BG · 09-11-2005, 01:45 PM

When I take to much gear I feel like crap, I was taken test-e , tren -e and EQ , felt lazy tired all the time, just dropped the tren and I feel much better. Maybe spread your gear out over a longer period of time.

**freakintraining** · 09-11-2005, 01:45 PM

if it sint fake you would have started to blow up

**Booz** · 09-11-2005, 01:49 PM

test can take 6 weeks to start seein any gains mate,with the eq it takes 8 weeks,and the hgh wont do jack till 2-3 months thats why 6months on growth is the norm.

BG · 09-11-2005, 01:53 PM

My boy was just taking growth, and didnt feel until his second kit about 2 months so Booz is right on. I never feel to much from eq how evr long I take it. Is you sex drive up at least???

**KaevurMati** · 09-11-2005, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by KaevurMati

Isn't it strange that it's 6th week and the gear still hasn't kicked in?? If it hasn't kicked in by 6th week, will it ever do?

Bumping this up as the main question.

Booz, are you sure about 8 weeks?

**stupidhippo** · 09-11-2005, 11:38 PM

Have you done many cycles beforE?

**afman415** · 09-12-2005, 12:11 AM

you're not noticing gigantic gains is because the cycle you are doing currently is a lean bulker. with the insulin , people have their ups and downs with it. some done notice anything at all, and some love it..depends. your not going to be putting on a lot of water weight because of running the eq with the test rather then deca . but that is also a good thing in a sense because the gains u will obtain from the eq qill be easy to keep. im in a cycle containing test cyp. and im running 750 mg a week of it and im just now noticing effects and im almost into week 6. so just be patient bro. EAT! EAT! EAT! and make sure you arent overtraining.

**afman415** · 09-12-2005, 12:27 AM

STRENGTH = 1. Tren 2. Anadrol 3. D Bol my man. add any of those in your next cycle and you definately wont be back on this board discussing this problem.

**J*U*icEd** · 09-12-2005, 12:34 AM

6) I train one muscle 3 times in 2 weeks or sometimes even 2 times a week.

that might be your problem right there.... u might not be giving yourself enough time to recover from your intense workouts.... try once a week on every muscle group.... overtraining will actually make you weaker!!

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 01:16 AM

Can't be overtraining bros. Usually I have 48 hour break before next workout, last time I had 72 hour break and I was A LOT weaker than before. Although nothing had changed with eating and sleeping.

Afman, 6 weeks is normal for cyp. But certainly not normal for enanthate .

**Jsik98** · 09-12-2005, 02:05 AM

If diet is in check, gear is def real, and you're sleeping 10 hours a night, then the only thing I can come up with is that the IGF-1 is affecting your blood sugar levels and making you tired. I know it's supposed to make you tired for the first couple days untl your body adjusts to the change, but maybe your body doesn't react well to synthetic IGF-1. Who knows???

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 02:23 AM

Yeah man, that's possible. But insulin should fix this problem, right?

**Jsik98** · 09-12-2005, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by KaevurMati

Yeah man, that's possible. But insulin should fix this problem, right?

IGF-1 isn't insulin though. It's like insulin, but who knows, maybe your body doesn't react well to it. And one of the sides to show that would def be fatigue.

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 06:22 AM

So what do you recommend to do? Drop HGH or Insulin ?

By the way, I'm also running creatine with cycle.

**Spyder** · 09-12-2005, 07:12 AM

That sucks man. I would wait around two more weeks, if nothing happens till then, i would declare my gear fake and never buy from that source again. Maybe next time use an oral like Dbol or Anadrol to kickstart your cycle into a world of strength and size.

**BITTAPART2** · 09-12-2005, 07:17 AM

it seems it is either the slin wacking out your sugar levels possibly not taken at the right time???? that or test flu, ever had that before?? personally I would drop the slin until PCT time comes around and keep running everything else

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 08:51 AM

I see.

If my insulin levels are low, they can cause fatigue too though. What do others think about dropping slin?

**Britguy** · 09-12-2005, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by KaevurMati

The gear isn't fake for sure.

are you positive that its real and are u maybe havin too much sleep bro? could be a gh/insulin problem, test can make you lethargic but you should be able to feel it now and your strength should have gone up, bit concerned cos im doing something exactly the same minus the slin starting later this wk

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 09:17 AM

The gear is 100% sure real and from good source.

Can anyone explain exactly the gh/insulin problem? Is the delay caused because of HGH or insulin?

**spywizard** · 09-12-2005, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by KaevurMati

The gear isn't fake for sure.

send it to me and i'll let ya know..

seriously though...

with is this your 1st cycle??

the GH at 4iu for the 1st 6 weeks... you should be complaining about alot of pain in your wrists if nothing else..

you should have gained about 6-12 lbs and your hunger should be going through the roof in the next 2 weeks if it hasn't already..

so.. what lab did you use to have the stuff tested?? cause that's the only way to "know"

have you taken a rest from training?? like take 7 days off.. do some light cardio only..

then start a different routine..

good luck..

**spywizard** · 09-12-2005, 09:30 AM

oh.. and GH should be taken for those over 30 yrs old..

but for younger folks.. you should cycle it for 6 months..

the only thing you will notice in 6 weeks is the pain and discomfort that tell you it is real..

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 10:06 AM

I don't want the thread to take other direction, since I'm sure that the gear is real. But OK, I will PM you.

Anyhow, any other thoughts about dropping insulin ??

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 10:08 AM

Someone also asked about test flu. Yes, I felt it exactly a week ago for 2 days.

And I also changed the manufacturer of Test Enanthate (first was Spanish Duratest 200 mg/ml, another was Iranian Test E 250 mg/ml). It shouldn't make any difference though? Both of them should be real ones.

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 11:12 AM

I need some quick answers! Thanks.

**MASTERDBOL** · 09-12-2005, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by J*U*icEd

6) I train one muscle 3 times in 2 weeks or sometimes even 2 times a week.

that might be your problem right there.... u might not be giving yourself enough time to recover from your intense workouts.... try once a week on every muscle group.... overtraining will actually make you weaker!!

exactly......once a week is plenty for one muscle group. you will feel better, muscles will recoup better, and will see better size gains.

**KaevurMati** · 09-12-2005, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by KaevurMati

Someone also asked about test flu. Yes, I felt it exactly a week ago for 2 days.

And I also changed the manufacturer of Test Enanthate (first was Spanish Duratest 200 mg/ml, another was Iranian Test E 250 mg/ml). It shouldn't make any difference though? Both of them should be real ones.

Bumping this up. It might be important.

**KaevurMati** · 09-13-2005, 01:23 AM

Bump.

**stupidhippo** · 09-13-2005, 01:39 AM

I would drop the insulin if I was you, its definetly worth a shot. Insulin IMO has to be run very well because it is the main controller of your blood sugar levels.. If your blood sugar gets too low (what insulin does - lowers blood sugar) you are not gonna feel strong for sure.. someone else?

**stupidhippo** · 09-13-2005, 01:41 AM

Then if all your work outs are really intense and possibly with heavy weights I would suggest you to recover more. I though that with steroids recovery is not that big of an issue but I noticed that my gains got better with a lil easier workout. I train with big weights and intensively - 4 times a week to gym worked better for me than 5 times a week even when "on".

**Puffader** · 09-13-2005, 12:15 PM

Nevermind

**KaevurMati** · 09-14-2005, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by Puffader

Nevermind

What?

**mr.freeze** · 09-14-2005, 04:22 AM

there could be different thing but! i think your gear is shit.and wen people say my source is good you never to sure! i got **** twice by two different pro bodybuilder how about that!!!!