A call for help, How do you deal with Valley effect while on Testosterone.
This is not funny anymore.
I am injecting testosterone weekly. I am going into week 6. About the 5th day I start to crash. I know I could inject every 5 days but I have to get my doc to approve this. He will not approve until my blood work which is scheduled for 5/6/02 comes back. I am really having a rough time on day 6 and 7.
Any help on how I can deal with the valley effect?
Please no jokes on this. I am in deep shit with this and need help!
I plan on talking about with my doctor but for the next three days I could use some ideas to just get through it. I dont know why this week is worse than the past. I have been feeling so much better lately WTF.
BTW if you see a post that you started and I tried to delete it I was just trying to delete my post in your thread. I have said some pretty sappy things due to my valley's and I just wanted to get ride of my post because when I go back and read them I sound like I sound now.
STUIPID, CRYING, SELF CENTERED, Body looks like crap, SHIT HEAD, LAZY, NOT GOOD FOR NOTHING, ASS HOLE, Can't get it up, BUTT HEAD.... Did I leave anything out?
uggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! !
BTW I am at work and dont have my cell phone. I am leaving for home now and sure as hell hope I dont stop off at the local bar and get shit faced. :mad:
Re: A call for help, How do you deal with Valley effect while on Testosterone.
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Originally posted by androplex
This is not funny anymore.
I am injecting testosterone weekly. I am going into week 6. About the 5th day I start to crash. I know I could inject every 5 days but I have to get my doc to approve this. He will not approve until my blood work which is scheduled for 5/6/02 comes back. I am really having a rough time on day 6 and 7.
Any help on how I can deal with the valley effect?
Please no jokes on this. I am in deep shit with this and need help!
I plan on talking about with my doctor but for the next three days I could use some ideas to just get through it. I dont know why this week is worse than the past. I have been feeling so much better lately WTF.
BTW if you see a post that you started and I tried to delete it I was just trying to delete my post in your thread. I have said some pretty sappy things due to my valley's and I just wanted to get ride of my post because when I go back and read them I sound like I sound now.
STUIPID, CRYING, SELF CENTERED, Body looks like crap, SHIT HEAD, LAZY, NOT GOOD FOR NOTHING, ASS HOLE, Can't get it up, BUTT HEAD.... Did I leave anything out?
uggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! !
BTW I am at work and dont have my cell phone. I am leaving for home now and sure as hell hope I dont stop off at the local bar and get shit faced. :mad:
No joke buddy, you're a cool brother, and you know I like ya. You can and will get through this. You are having a bad time right now, but better times are on their way.
Take care brother, and give me a call you have my numbers if you need to chat. :hello:
Re: A call for help, How do you deal with Valley effect while on Testosterone.
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Originally posted by androplex
Please no jokes on this. I am in deep shit with this and need help!...
STUIPID, CRYING, SELF CENTERED, Body looks like crap, SHIT HEAD, LAZY, NOT GOOD FOR NOTHING, ASS HOLE, Can't get it up, BUTT HEAD.... Did I leave anything out?
uggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! !
Well, if you're in deep shit, all I can suggest is that you don't inject it. As for your descriptions, no, you haven't left anything out except whiner. :D
(Side note for our other readers: I know Androplex, and a joke is exactly what he needs. So here's the serious answer...)
I'm not revealing any confidences here, because Androplex noted that he is about to have labs done, and has discussed the medical nature of his AS routine on the board.
The idea, of course, is to have labs taken when you are at your lowest point, since you don't want to show high readings (which might make the doctor reduce your dose).
However, if you're at the point where you physically feel the valley effects, you are already low enough in your readings to get the lab work done. Since today is Friday, call the doctor to see if you can have the labs done today; get the lab work done, then do an injection. But try to resist the temptation of injecting before the labs are drawn, since they will zonk the readings up too high (into peak range).
If youy are unable to do this, try some caffeine - not coffee, but an over-the-counter product like Vivarin or No-Doz to boost your energy levels over the weekend. And know that you will get through it. It's what you have been working up to - the first labs since you started doing test and HGH - so it's important that they accurately reflect your goals which, in this case, are a low reading.
The obvious way to deal with the valley effect, especially when it it is that intense, is to increase your dosage or move up your injection schedule. My take is that the doctor will do either or both of these - and if he doesn't, I would certainly move toward a 5-day schedule, but do it after the labs are drawn. (The problem is that, if you do it before getting the labs done, it will skew the picture and could influence your physicians to make the wrong decision - they need to know empirically that you are actually low.) After this time, you shouldn't have to go through this again.
Finally (and I say this constructively), stop acting like a walking billboard for biggerexia (the notion that you look like shit regardless of how great you're doing). You're 6'2" and 207 pounds with 16" biceps alone - that's as good as it gets. "Body looks like crap," indeed - lots of guys would give their right nut for stats like that.
And next time you're feeling this crappy, call me for a bitching session. It helps to dump at a time like this.
True confessions . . . I love it!
Androplex, you putz, I'll get to you in a minute. Let me talk to everyone else first...
What Androplex has described is not unusual at all - it affects many juicers, whether they are doing it on their own or under a doctor's care. It is, quite simply, a tendency to do too much of a good thing. You begin using test, or any other AS, and find that the results are grrrrrrreat! So you increase the dose and end up doing too much, then when your cycle ends or you run of gear, you crash big time.
It can never be said too often: the absolute toughest thing to practice is patience. You want to make gains and you see that AS have helped you start to reach those goals, so you push the edges of the envelope and bump up the doses prematurely, shooting your levels sky high and guaranteeing a crash when you come off. The effect is similar to doing speed - first you soar, then you crash and sleep for the next three days. The right idea, when you're doing anabolics, is not to soar in the first place - it's to take off steady, get up to good cruising altitude, and come down with a nice, soft landing.
The same thing occurs when many people cycle - same as Androplex, but they do it at higher dosages. And yes, the crash is that much harder. Remember, Androplex did only 300 mg. in a single week; a lot of guys do 500 or more mg. per week. And the faster you soar, the harder you will crash. It won't happen to everyone (remember, Androplex is also dealing with the CFS issue), but it will happen to many people.
Incidentally, I did exactly the same thing Androplex did - took a prescribed dose and increased it because it did so much good. Then I hit the lab one day and my total test reading was 1,487 - way above the high point of the normal range. I learned my lesson well from that one.
Now, a word to Androplex which it won't hurt others to read as well...
There's an old biblical expression, "As a man thinks in is heart, so is he." If you think of yourself as a failure, a loser, a shit, a dick, or (going back to the first post in this thread) a "STUIPID, CRYING, SELF CENTERED, Body looks like crap, SHIT HEAD, LAZY, NOT GOOD FOR NOTHING, ASS HOLE, Can't get it up, BUTT HEAD," you'll end up as one.
The first step to being a winner is to think like a winner. I'm not particularly into a religious rap, but as the preachers at those mega-churches in Houston (home of, among others, Androplex) would say, "Believe that you will receive it, and you will have it." It's name it and claim it all the way, bro.
You want to lift more weight? Start by believing you can do it. You want to look better? Then act like you already look better. You want to feel better about yourself? Ditto.
There's one thing that some of guys on this board say a lot, especially when they post their pictures: "Okay, flame away." Notwithstanding that here at A.R. we don't flame, that's an expression I should never have to read. Because if you ask for flames, you just might get them. But if you have the self-assurance to accept that you are already making progress to getting where you want to go, you will get there.
That doesn't mean that you have to be an egotist. When I am complimented on the board, I usually don't reply (although I am grateful for the compliments - thanks, folks), because the only swelled head I want to get is the one that is not on my shoulders. :D
But if you think down, you'll feel down. Androplex, my friend (a term I do not use lightly), it's time to start thinking up.
Androplex is alive and well...
He made it!
His Internet provider is down at the moment, but I just had a call from Androplex, and he asked me to pass on that he made it through the past few days.
He hit the doctor's office this afternoon, and said that he felt they tapped hiis veins to the max (drawing seven vials of blood for the lab work), then headed home and engaged in some "injectable therapy."
He'll be back as soon as his ISP is up.
A note about Wellbutrin . . .
To those of you who are taking Wellbutrin . . .
If you happen to smoke cigarettes, this is a good time to give them up with assistance. Wellbutrin is the same drug as Zyban, the smoking cessation drug - right down to the same dosages. (It's similar to the similarity betwen Propecia and Proscar, which are the same as each other. Propecia is used for hair loss and Proscar to retard an enlarged prostate, but unlike Wellbutrin, they are used in different dosages for each purpose.)
Incidentally, most health insurance plans will pay for Wellbutrin (an anti-depressant) but not for Zyban, so if any of you have considered trying Zyban for smoking cessation and you have a prescription plan, try getting the script written for Wellbutrin instead.
Good to hear you're doing better!
Andro:
Good to hear you're doing better and with friends like TNT and Canes checking up on you...you're in good hands. It also sounds like you have a really good doctor..you are very lucky.
cya
LDSlifter
"Have you checked your "females" today?"