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09-19-2005, 09:13 AM #1
very curious, orals 4 week only? why?
i understand its because of damage to your liver among other things, but i was thinking in my mind, why could some1 not do dbol for 4 weeks and then m1t straight after for 4weeks ( while they were on test obv )? this is hypathetical? im just curious?
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09-19-2005, 09:22 AM #2
Because they both put stress on your liver.
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09-19-2005, 09:26 AM #3
M1T? Ya got me there, either never heard of it or never heard it called that. But If you are talking about using an 17A oral for eight weeks and then switching to another 17A for 4 more weeks it would be the same as doing the frist for 8 weeks. It is not the individual oral, such as dbol , that harms you, it is the 17A structure on the hormone that allows it to pass undamaged through the liver that causes problems. So switching gears, dbol to drol, or whatever will not eliminate this problem of damage buildup over time.
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09-19-2005, 09:27 AM #4
Yeah, what Ejuicer said while I was typin! I'm too friggin verbose!
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09-19-2005, 09:28 AM #5Junior Member
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M1T is Methy-1-Testosterone . It's was a pro-hormone that is now on the banned list as of January 20th 2005. It was reported to be much more anabolic and adrogenic than Dianabol .
Anyhow, 4 weeks because not only liver stress but 17 Alpha-Alkylated steroids mess your cholesterol to an alarming degree and raise blood pressure. They also give nasty heart-burn and head-aches.
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09-19-2005, 09:46 AM #6Originally Posted by Needle_Newb
Yes, orals are not only hard on your liver, but they really mess up your cholesterol values.
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09-19-2005, 09:54 AM #7
It would depend on whether or not Methyl test has a chem structure that is hard on the liver in the same way dbol is. For me though if it is good enough to be advertised in Flex or Muscle and Fitness, then it's always good enough to be uneqiuvocably called horseshit. Sorry, but that is my feeling, if I had a dime for every supp that I took that was "stronger than test or winstrol or dbol", then I would be a rich M/F! And none of them worked 10% as effectively as the real deal. Now I am over my rant, and realize that it is just my 2cents, but I f*#king hate these bullshit artist always trying to lie to us so they can steal some of our hard earned money-the real scammers are the supplement companies.
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09-19-2005, 09:58 AM #8Originally Posted by shortie
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09-19-2005, 10:06 AM #9Junior Member
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Axctually Shortie, I learnt that from Anabolics 2005. William Llewynn (spelling?) thinks that we all missed out on the pro-hormone buzz because Methyl-1-Testosterone apparently was a legal steroid .
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09-19-2005, 10:14 AM #10Junior Member
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Only the 17 alpha-alkylated are harsh. Primobolan isn't so you can cycle with that. M1T, Dbol , Drol, Halotestin etc... are all very toxic.
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09-19-2005, 10:32 AM #11
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09-19-2005, 10:34 AM #12Junior Member
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Not everyone is so fortunate. My HDL drops to near zero with just a few weeks of hepatoxic orals.
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09-19-2005, 10:36 AM #13Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
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09-19-2005, 10:37 AM #14Originally Posted by longhorn814
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09-19-2005, 10:43 AM #15Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
~Pinnacle~
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09-19-2005, 10:48 AM #16Junior Member
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That is what I am saying.
We believe that this dosage is too high; however, this example shows that a fairly large dosage of the oral acetate form is necessary. The reason is that the Primobolan acetate tablets are not I 7-alpha alkylated and, during the first pass in the liver, a large part of the substance is destroyed and thus deactivated leaving only a much smaller quantity of the substance to get into the blood.
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09-19-2005, 10:51 AM #17Junior Member
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And by the way, Anavar (oanxdralone) is liver toxic because it is 17aa
However Oxandrolone should not be taken for several consecutive months, since, as with almost all oral steroids it is 1 7-alpha alkylated and thus liver toxic.
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09-19-2005, 10:55 AM #18Originally Posted by magic32
Oddly, although it's an oral steroid , Primobolan is not a c-17-ALPHA-ALKYLATED steroid.
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09-19-2005, 10:56 AM #19Junior Member
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You just quoted (and put in bold) that primo is not 17aa .... your one goofy fellow.
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09-19-2005, 10:57 AM #20Junior Member
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And my quotes are from www.steroid.com ...
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09-19-2005, 11:02 AM #21Junior Member
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Mild in comparision with what ? Drol and Dbol , yes of course, but it still puts a strain on the liver. It is among the safer 17aa orals. Primobolan being much safer because it is not 17aa.
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09-19-2005, 11:04 AM #22Originally Posted by icedudez
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09-19-2005, 11:04 AM #23Originally Posted by Needle_Newb
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09-19-2005, 11:06 AM #24Junior Member
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09-19-2005, 11:10 AM #25
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09-19-2005, 11:12 AM #26Originally Posted by magic32
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09-19-2005, 11:12 AM #27
I knew this thread would turn into a cock fight.I just knew it!!!!
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09-19-2005, 11:14 AM #28
Ahhhh, me likes the mask from Hades. Maybe you should read closer my satanic friend, before bashing someone's skull in.
Originally Posted by icedudezLast edited by GoldieTheMack; 09-19-2005 at 11:51 AM.
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09-19-2005, 11:15 AM #29Junior Member
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My was in regards to magic saying how he was just goofing off the whole time. Not in regards to his var being mild post which he slipped in before I could add the
Anyhow I feel like
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09-19-2005, 11:18 AM #30Originally Posted by magic32
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09-19-2005, 11:23 AM #31Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
Please, you need to just watch and not use words to big for you to spell.
"credability"
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09-19-2005, 11:34 AM #32
Devldog (no "i")
Where'd you go vacabulry genis (spelled wrong on purpose)?
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09-19-2005, 11:38 AM #33Originally Posted by magic32
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09-19-2005, 11:39 AM #34
Alright gentlemen,
Break it up, nothing to see here. Let's all get back to the business of helping people.
And start on our next meals.
Signed,
A True Antagonist
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09-19-2005, 11:41 AM #35
Alright gentlemen
Break it up, nothing to see here. Let's all get back to the business of helping people.
And start on our next meals.
Signed,
A True Antagonist
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09-19-2005, 11:43 AM #36Originally Posted by Hellmask
Break it up, nothing to see here. Let's all get back to the business of helping people.
And start on our next meals.
Signed,
A True Antagonist
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09-19-2005, 11:44 AM #37Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
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09-19-2005, 11:59 AM #38
Ahhhhh, me likes the mask from Hade's. See below tough guy.
Originally Posted by icedudez
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09-19-2005, 12:01 PM #39
And Hellmask, the next time someone asks you about Taurine try to come up with something higher than 50mgs...do they even make doses that small.
A True Antagonist
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09-19-2005, 12:07 PM #40Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
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