1st cycle...whatcha think??

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 07:23 PM

OK bros. I am where I need to be physically and educated to the point where I believe I am ready for cycle numero uno. Here are some stats:

25 yeas old
5'9"-5'10"
193ish
10-12% body fat
~7 years in da gym

From all the info I have ingested about ass and first-time use, I am thinking 500mg test e/w for 12 weeks and proper PCT with clomid. Two real questions I guess. I know some bros use nolva while on test and some don’t. Is it necessary? Also, should I throw in some deca ? All opinions welcome. Thanks!

**MuckDog** · 09-19-2005, 07:30 PM

good to see that you are choosing a single aas as its annoying when first time users post a 4 gear stack that they are starting that night.

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by MuckDog

good to see that you are choosing a single aas as its annoying when first time users post a 4 gear stack that they are starting that night.

Yeah Dog. I figured I should test the waters first before going to hardcore. So, should I use nolva or just keep it on hand?

**mranak** · 09-19-2005, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lunacy

I know some bros use nolva while on test and some don’t. Is it necessary?

Nothing wrong with not running the Nolvadex but jumping on it only if you start to exhibit symptoms of gyno. But at a minimum, have the Nolva on hand.

Originally Posted by Lunacy

Also, should I throw in some deca?

Absolutely not. You could even scale back on the testosterone a bit...nothing wrong with 400mg of long-ester testosterone/week. But just don't go over 500mg.

**Baseball_centerfield** · 09-19-2005, 07:39 PM

After your cycle and you start the be more experienced then deca with test will be a good idea. That is what i do!

BG · 09-19-2005, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by mranak

Nothing wrong with not running the Nolvadex but jumping on it only if you start to exhibit symptoms of gyno. But at a minimum, have the Nolva on hand.

Absolutely not. You could even scale back on the testosterone a bit...nothing wrong with 400mg of long-ester testosterone/week. But just don't go over 500mg.

I wouldnt stack first time around, I just stacked three things, when I cut out the tren I got much better results with the tesat-e and eq. Stick with 1 , your right on track, let your body get a feel for a foriegn compound being injected into it.

**Pinnacle** · 09-19-2005, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Lunacy

Yeah Dog. I figured I should test the waters first before going to hardcore. So, should I use nolva or just keep it on hand?

The thing is,you don't know if you're gyno prone.So I'd suggest taking 10 mgs ED of Nolv.It won't effect your gains.Better safe than having to post a gyno thread.
Also,great choice on your decission!!!It's obvious you researched!

~Pinnacle~

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 07:40 PM

Absolutely not. You could even scale back on the testosterone a bit...nothing wrong with 400mg of long-ester testosterone/week. But just don't go over 500mg.[/QUOTE]

I see. So, scale back because of sides or experience?

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

The thing is,you don't know if you're gyno prone.So I'd suggest taking 10 mgs ED of Nolv.It won't effect your gains.Better safe than having to post a gyno thread.
Also,great choice on your decission!!!It's obvious you researched!

~Pinnacle~

No doubt. Now to find some. Guess I'll ask all my homeboys at the gym on juice.

**Pinnacle** · 09-19-2005, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Lunacy

No doubt. Now to find some. Guess I'll ask all my homeboys at the gym on juice.

You can get Nolv in liquid form right here at the AR research store.Quality stuff.

www.anabolicreview-research.com

~Pinnacle~

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

You can get Nolv in liquid form right here at the AR research store.Quality stuff.

www.anabolicreview-research.com

~Pinnacle~

Kinda ment the juice, but thanks bro!

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 08:15 PM

So, why would I take 400mgs e/w rather then 500mgs e/w?

**bignatt** · 09-19-2005, 08:17 PM

you dont really need 500....also with nolva youll want to take 10mg/day for your lipid profile

**Pinnacle** · 09-19-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lunacy

So, why would I take 400mgs e/w rather then 500mgs e/w?

Your first cycle is your best.Make the most of it and run 500 mgs.That guy was only making a conservative suggestion @ 400mgs.

~Pinnacle~

**mranak** · 09-19-2005, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lunacy

So, why would I take 400mgs e/w rather then 500mgs e/w?

I've seen many guys make good gains off of as little as 250mg/week. It makes sense to strive to use as little gear as possible to make good gains. Even one of this board's supermods suggests 400mg-500mg for 10 weeks for a first cycle. I'll put it this way: I would much rather do 400mg for 12 weeks than 500mg for 10.

But 500mg/week is fine. Its the guys that start stacking on their first cycle are making the mistake.

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by mranak

I've seen many guys make good gains off of as little as 250mg/week. It makes sense to strive to use as little gear as possible to make good gains. Even one of this board's supermods suggests 400mg-500mg for 10 weeks for a first cycle. I'll put it this way: I would much rather do 400mg for 12 weeks than 500mg for 10.

But 500mg/week is fine. Its the guys that start stacking on their first cycle are making the mistake.

I understand what you are saying. I originally was going to take 500mgs for 12 weeks. So, in your opinion, you would take 400mgs for 12 weeks rather then 500mgs for 12 weeks for a first timer?

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 09:08 PM

bump

**Pinnacle** · 09-19-2005, 09:19 PM

You know what they say "Your first instinct is usually the correct one"...think about it.

~Pinnacle~

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

You know what they say "Your first instinct is usually the correct one"...think about it.

~Pinnacle~

I agree. Thanks again bro.

**mranak** · 09-19-2005, 09:25 PM

Yes, I would personally go with 400mg/week for 12 weeks. But for some reason I think that Pinnacle might think that you should do 500mg/week.

I recommend that you do the injections twice/week. 400mg or 500mg, you decide. Or anywhere in between. It isn't going to make a whole lot'a difference one way or the other. Train right, eat right (more muscle needs more calories), rest well and you will grow.

**Lunacy** · 09-19-2005, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by mranak

Yes, I would personally go with 400mg/week for 12 weeks. But for some reason I think that Pinnacle might think that you should do 500mg/week.

I recommend that you do the injections twice/week. 400mg or 500mg, you decide. Or anywhere in between. It isn't going to make a whole lot'a difference one way or the other. Train right, eat right (more muscle needs more calories), rest well and you will grow.

OK brotha. Thanks!