first cycle help!

[fatboyinc]

Hello ive decicded to try my first cycle of a sus/winnie combo.
my stats are 6 foot,82kgs, 16%bf,4 years training, no cycle experiance.
The following is a suggested cycle?is this a good first cycle as i am looking to put on anything from 5-10 kgs keepable muscle? would it be better to shorten the cycle and would i still need clomid if this is my first cycle

Week 1-10 sus 500mgs/week
Week 8-14 winnie 50mgs/day

any suggestions/help would be appreciated
thanks

[eGGz]

1-10 sust @ 150mg injected EOD = 525mg average per week.
8-13 winny @ 50mg ED

14-17 clomid @ 100mg ED
14-17 nolva @ 20mg ED

[fatboyinc]

would it be possible to shorten the cycle to a 8-9 week cycle?

[bignatt]

I would pick a solid estered test like enanthate

[SoulCard]

I would pick a solid estered test like enanthate

I agree...and btw, no i would not shorten it to 8 weeks...i was actually gonna suggest you bump it to 12 weeks of test e...

[Swifto]

I would pick a solid estered test like enanthate

I agree.

A single estered Test, such as, Enan or Cyp would be more suited to you as a first time user. The injection frequency of Sust is not ideal for a first timer.

[Two4the$$]

14 - 16 is my vote... not like those two weeks are going to cause some side affect to show up... it doesn't happen to anyone else. But you will have more weeks at the objective dosage. Plus, why are you running the Winny by itself? Why not with the test? And DEFINITELY use the Test-E. It's the best ester in my opinoin...

[RUballs0514]

test E wks 1-12 500mgs/wk (250mgs 2x per wk)
winny (i wouldn't suggest but if you want) -wks 9-14 50mgs ED (and yes you can take it orally)

pct-clomid, nolva, maybe trib.

its also safe to have nolva on hand throughout just in case gyno sets in

[RUballs0514]

whoa i just read your stats you're 6'0 and only weigh like 180 @ 16% bf. i'd bulk up to like 200 naturally with less BF before you get on the juice. your best cycle would be a food and training one

[shortie]

would it be possible to shorten the cycle to a 8-9 week cycle?

With the long acting Esters in your gear, yes even if you stick with sust, it will be weeks into your cycle before it kicks, shorten it up and you are only taking from the good part of the cycle.

[fatboyinc]

whoa i just read your stats you're 6'0 and only weigh like 180 @ 16% bf. i'd bulk up to like 200 naturally with less BF before you get on the juice. your best cycle would be a food and training one

ive been "bulking up" naturally for almost 4 yrs now from 58kgs to 85kgs, im pretty much stuck at around 82-85, so i need a little help
um wat about a suspension winnie combo instead rather than a test e/c?? i wont shorten the cycle to anything less than 8weeks on the sust
thanks guys