Beware...this could happen to YOU

**WannabePro** · 09-22-2005, 08:45 PM

Im 21 years old and ive been cycling on steroids for 2 and 1/2 years off and on. My steroid cycles have mostly consisted of anadrol ,deca , and test. The durations are usually 4 months on 2 months off. The dosages were not too high, 400mg deca, 650mg of test,50mg of anadrol. I suffer from WAY lower than normal natural test levels. Keep in mind i have done proper PCT after every cycle but maybe 2. I know part of the reason my natural test levels arent back to normal is that my time off has NOT equaled my time on, im aware. Ive been off 4 months as of now and i did my PCT.
I want my natural test levels to be normal again. My Natural levels are so extremely low i dont want to wait a year or so for it to come back because that is just too long. Ive already suffered 4 months. Can i take a extremly low dosage of test at the same time taking ancilliars so i dont supress my natural levels fully and do it that way until they come back?

Also, here's a good question. Will steroids NOT be as effective if your natural test levels are lower than normal as to someone with normal test levels?

Thanks to everyone

**WannabePro** · 09-22-2005, 09:04 PM

bump

**majorpecs** · 09-22-2005, 09:05 PM

No you can't

**WannabePro** · 09-22-2005, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by majorpecs

No you can't

cant what.......

**Snoop** · 09-22-2005, 09:17 PM

As soon as you introduce a symthetic test to your body, you body will shut down making its own. Even if you take 5mg, your body will stop making its own!

**Ryanhallmark** · 09-22-2005, 09:24 PM

Yeah, i dont think that i have ever heard of taking small amount of test to bring back test levels... That is why people bridge with test...So they dont ever really go off..

**testosterona** · 09-22-2005, 09:27 PM

you have to wait it out bro unless you want to become a lifer. If you absolutely can't wait, anavar is a good option

**Pinnacle** · 09-22-2005, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by testosterona

unless you want to become a lifer.

Like me?

~Pinnacle~

***JohnnyB*** · 09-22-2005, 09:55 PM

You started cycling at 19, maybe 18, you may never get to normal. That's why we say wait until you are 25, messing with your hormonal system at 19, is a sure way to get a screwed up hormonal system, that may never recover.

All I can say is go to a Dr. and say what you've done, he/she might be able to help, but us here on the boards could of only prevented this from happening by tell you to wait until you were 25. You're at a point that we can't help you, we could make suggestion, but you need more then suggestion, you need medical attention. You need some one to run blood test and monitor your progression or to see if you would even make any progress.

I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but you need to really think about this. It's not something to take lightly.

JohnnyB

**WannabePro** · 09-22-2005, 10:23 PM

*sniff sniff* I thought as young as i am my natural test would come back faster johnny B.

**WannabePro** · 09-22-2005, 10:29 PM

jersey wanna comment?

**WannabePro** · 09-22-2005, 10:32 PM

So basically if it takes for lets say a year for my test levels to come back in the normal range, during that whole time im gonna lose major muscle worse case scenario and sex drive is gonna be subnormal. Thats a long time. So when i get my natural test back again, and i do another cycle, will it come back fast or take another year for it too come back at all again?

**Sheldon** · 09-23-2005, 04:41 AM

Go see an endocrinologist, they will test things other than your free T level. Worst case they can replenish you GnRH, but that's for a qualified MD to decide.

**Testo^** · 09-23-2005, 05:06 AM

Hmm.. Doesnt HCG help ?

**Sheldon** · 09-23-2005, 07:27 AM

HCG mimics LH which increases test levels, but artificially - so it shuts down your HPTA just like AAS. From what I know HCG is only used to counter hypertrophy. Clomid will get the HPTA going again, but if this fails an endocrinologist is the only way to go.

**Ejuicer** · 09-23-2005, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by WannabePro

Also, here's a good question. Will steroids NOT be as effective if your natural test levels are lower than normal as to someone with normal test levels?

Doesn't make a difference since they are going to be shutting down your natural production anyways.

**anabolicbruce** · 09-23-2005, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Sheldon

HCG mimics LH which increases test levels, but artificially - so it shuts down your HPTA just like AAS. From what I know HCG is only used to counter hypertrophy. Clomid will get the HPTA going again, but if this fails an endocrinologist is the only way to go.

There is some research out there which indicate that LH recovers quickly when supressed, the problem lies within the testicles in the Leydig cells. Although HCG supresses LH, it will STIMULATE the Leydig cells and bring your intratesticular testosterone back up to normal ranges. Use HCG and nolva for 2-4 weeks at 250iu/day then use clomid and nolva to stimulate LH. It works for a lot of steroid induced hypogonadic males at our clinic.

BTW HCG does not counter hypertrophy, it counter atrophy.

**powerliftmike** · 09-23-2005, 07:45 AM

Do PCT involving nolva and clomid, and during the end of cycle consider using HCG and proviron . Then take time-off!! 2 months isn't long enough, esp coming off 4 months, which is too long. Your body will eventually normalize

**dirtyvegas** · 09-23-2005, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by WannabePro

Im 21 years old and ive been cycling on steroids for 2 and 1/2 years off and on. My steroid cycles have mostly consisted of anadrol,deca, and test. The durations are usually 4 months on 2 months off. The dosages were not too high, 400mg deca, 650mg of test,50mg of anadrol. Thanks to everyone

How do you know you suffer from extremly low test levels, i havent seen you say anything about getting blood test from a lob or doc .?

Also as young as you are using these compounds @ these dosages for 4 months straight is gonna take longer then a few months for your body to return to normal. This is why we here advise on short cycles..goodluck.

Dirtyvegas

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by WannabePro

So basically if it takes for lets say a year for my test levels to come back in the normal range, during that whole time im gonna lose major muscle worse case scenario and sex drive is gonna be subnormal. Thats a long time. So when i get my natural test back again, and i do another cycle, will it come back fast or take another year for it too come back at all again?

JohnnyB said it best, when you screw around with a not fully matured endocrine system you can permanently alter it-PERMANENTLY! As in it never goes back and you have to take meds forever. Go see a endocrinologist, talk to your Dr and have him recommend a specialist and see him. Wanabepro, I wish you the best, but go see a professional it is possible that a good endo specialist could recommend a therapy that will get you back on track, but none of us knows what that might be.(unless there is an endo running around on here)

This should damn near be required reading for new members, see what can happen if you start too young.

**spywizard** · 09-23-2005, 09:01 AM

perfect example of why you should wait until you are older to do steroids , and time on is equal to time off.. not 4 on 2 off..

but 3 on and 3 off.

**Jack87** · 09-23-2005, 11:35 AM

You need to really get into regaining normal natural test levels 1st...

You started so young, it's clear why they could be below normal...
But you can raise them, but you can't raise them naturally while
you're on a cycle, so decide what you're donig first...

If you run another cycle anytime soon, don't expect any natural
recovery or to fix naturally low test levels...

**WannabePro** · 09-23-2005, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by dirtyvegas

How do you know you suffer from extremly low test levels, i havent seen you say anything about getting blood test from a lob or doc .?

Also as young as you are using these compounds @ these dosages for 4 months straight is gonna take longer then a few months for your body to return to normal. This is why we here advise on short cycles..goodluck.

Dirtyvegas

My total testosterone is 82 ng/dl. Normal is 241 and up

**WannabePro** · 09-23-2005, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by buff87

You need to really get into regaining normal natural test levels 1st...

You started so young, it's clear why they could be below normal...
But you can raise them, but you can't raise them naturally while
you're on a cycle, so decide what you're donig first...

If you run another cycle anytime soon, don't expect any natural
recovery or to fix naturally low test levels...

Just expect testicular atrophy right?

**WannabePro** · 09-23-2005, 04:44 PM

. So when i get my natural test back again, and i do another cycle, will it come back fast or take another year for it too come back at all again?[/QUOTE]

Bump to this question

**SoulCard** · 09-23-2005, 05:18 PM

honestly, if/when you get your natural levels back...only time will tell if you can again rebound from another cycle...that is a risk only you can choose to take....

**WannabePro** · 09-23-2005, 05:38 PM

has anyone here had the same dilema as me?

**judge_dread** · 09-23-2005, 06:17 PM

Well I remember before I start AAS use I had 388ng/dl which is at the lower spectrum but within the acceptable rates, I guess now after some AAS usage taken place it must have returned back there.

**Unoid** · 09-23-2005, 07:31 PM

get on some longjack and trib also. they'll increas enatty production and also increase LH stimulation.

so do them for a while and come off you should even out higher than u are now.

**J.S.N.** · 09-23-2005, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by testosterona

you have to wait it out bro unless you want to become a lifer. If you absolutely can't wait, anavar is a good option

no it's not!

anavar shuts you down too, just not as hard as deca or something liek that.

this kid needs to be off a long time, run tribulus, tongkat ali, and possibly hcg , and try to regain his natty hormone levels right now.

**groundandpoundpwr21** · 09-24-2005, 02:45 PM

Nolva,hcg , clomid, igf, hgh coctail might work.

**WannabePro** · 09-24-2005, 02:55 PM

I guess i have 2 options now. Option 1: stay off and regain my natural test levels back and the cons to this is that i believe its gonna take me at least a year to get back to normal with correct PCT because i did PCT and ive been off for 4 months and my total test levels are only 82ng/dl. During these long months im gonna lose so much muscle and i dont wanna do that. Option 2: stay back on

**Mesomorphyl** · 09-24-2005, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by WannabePro

I guess i have 2 options now. Option 1: stay off and regain my natural test levels back and the cons to this is that i believe its gonna take me at least a year to get back to normal with correct PCT because i did PCT and ive been off for 4 months and my total test levels are only 82ng/dl. During these long months im gonna lose so much muscle and i dont wanna do that. Option 2: stay back on

Option 3: Go to an endo... Only the doctor can help you get it back quicker, talk to him about nolvadex , clomid, and hcg . Discuss your options with him and tell him how you feel about just staying on because you do not want to wait a year. Anyway who told you it would take at least a year? Possiblity without medical attention it may never come back... at least you can get your test prescibed at that point.

**jsimon** · 09-24-2005, 07:09 PM

Ive taken 3 cycles of m1t in the past not very long cycles few weeks at a time bridges appart. But never new that PCT was required. I took the ammount shown on the bottle....I dont think im fucked up am I?