Damage done by 16 weeks oral winstrol

**Maroubra** · 09-23-2005, 10:21 AM

A long time buddy of mine is currently on week 8 of oral winstol at 50mg/day. I have urged him to stop, but he is going to continue for 16 weeks total at 50mg/day. I know his liver is f*cked, but what are the other consequences of this dosage for this period. What are the effects on liver, cholesterol and lipid profile? Any positive effects on his body of him taking a few weeks off after week 8, then back on for 8(this is what is wants to do) I obviously said thats not good either, but would this small break help his body at all?

**SaTyR** · 09-23-2005, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Maroubra

A long time buddy of mine is currently on week 8 of oral winstol at 50mg/day. I have urged him to stop, but he is going to continue for 16 weeks total at 50mg/day. I know his liver is f*cked, but what are the other consequences of this dosage for this period. What are the effects on liver, cholesterol and lipid profile? Any positive effects on his body of him taking a few weeks off after week 8, then back on for 8(this is what is wants to do) I obviously said thats not good either, but would this small break help his body at all?

4 weeks on 4 weeks off then again 4 weeks on is reasonable. 8 weeks on is allready overkill. Break or not your friend has to stop now, or else he'l maybe learn the hard way.

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 10:24 AM

Funny thing is, he may just be fine. Never know, but a very unwise cycle and he definitely should get a blood test, and prolly soon to determine if there is any damage currently. People all react differently, some have tough livers that take all kinds of abuse, others don't, he just won't know til he has a blood workup done.

**Maroubra** · 09-23-2005, 11:52 AM

So, he could be completely fine after 16 weeks? Basically I want to tell him how he is fing up is body so he will stop. What potentially could happen to his liver or anything else?

**Needle_Newb** · 09-23-2005, 11:53 AM

Ack, my HDL cholesterol would be negative 10.

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Maroubra

So, he could be completely fine after 16 weeks? Basically I want to tell him how he is fing up is body so he will stop. What potentially could happen to his liver or anything else?

He could be fine, but the only way to know is to have blood tests done to determine his liver values, there are lots of undesireable sides to winni(oral) so that is why no-one usually goes that long. Liver damage, and cholesterol values would be a prime concern.

**aadrenaline** · 09-23-2005, 01:45 PM

idk i personally like running it for 7 or 8 weeks thats about when full results flatten out for me..16 weeks is kinda long i mean he'll be most likely fine..is he taking milk thistle?
his LDL is gonna be through the roof mine was after the 7 weeks but theres an easy way to bring that down..tell him to get niacin no flush GNC sells 500mg pills..
start
day one 1500mg and 1 asprin
day two 1000mg and 1 asprin
day three 500mg and 1 asprin
contiune 500mg and 1 asprin a day for 6 weeks

my buddy was over 300 on his cholesterol levels
after this he was at around 165 so it cut it by half in just 6 weeks.
also drink cranberry juice
i would tell him not to run 16 weeks but he'll do what he wants anyway

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by aadrenaline

i would tell him not to run 16 weeks but he'll do what he wants anyway

Aint that the truth about people.

**Booz** · 09-23-2005, 01:51 PM

Ouch!!!

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by booz

Ouch!!!

Well Booz, you obviously hadn't hear about liver's being determined to be expendable!

LOL!

**aadrenaline** · 09-23-2005, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by shortie

Aint that the truth about people.

yup that goes for everyone besides maybe 1 or 2 people that listen..
if his buddy isnt looking around and researching information he most likely isnt going to listen i know a few guys that when i say one thing they say another..my favorite of all time
these guys swear they know everything and they were like yea im gonna run fina in my next cycle and i was like yea tren is good..they were like no not tren we r going to do fina i just laughed they made some argument that they are similar but one converts even less into estrogen. immediatly i was cracking up but they swore and didnt believe me otherwise when i said fina is just a brand name

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 01:58 PM

Kinda scary aint it. Amazing we make it as far as we do-humans that is.

**Booz** · 09-23-2005, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by shortie

Well Booz, you obviously hadn't hear about liver's being determined to be expendable!

LOL!

hes obviously already on the waitin list for a new liver!cos hes prob gonna need 1!

**aadrenaline** · 09-23-2005, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by booz

hes obviously already on the waitin list for a new liver!cos hes prob gonna need 1!

i wouldnt think so at all.
now if he was drinking a 18 pack
eating 500g of protein a day
and adding drugs in the mix

maybe then he'd be hurting a little

**Booz** · 09-23-2005, 02:38 PM

so you think 16weeks of winny will not do him any harm then?

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by booz

so you think 16weeks of winny will not do him any harm then?

I think it is a possibility, there is an excellent post running around here about the exaggeration of negative effects of orals. Indicates this is just not a severe as we had always thought. Me, I ere on the side of caution, and science, the proof is in the bloodwork.

**Booz** · 09-23-2005, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by shortie

I think it is a possibility, there is an excellent post running around here about the exaggeration of negative effects of orals. Indicates this is just not a sever as we had always thought. Me,I ere on the side of caution, and science, the proof is in the bloodwork.

imo i would rather be safe than sorry also mate,16 weeks to me does sound a tad severe,but then who am i?fukcin no one!!

**Hi-Caliber** · 09-23-2005, 02:50 PM

I'll bet he'll be just fine.
The AAS board wannabe gurus over-hype the heck out of the dangers of orals.
But you know, the boards breed know-it-alls. I remember when everyone on this board was all over that bullshitter "Einstein"'s balls. Until he scammed everyone.

**shortie** · 09-23-2005, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by booz

imo i would rather be safe than sorry also mate,16 weeks to me does sound a tad severe,but then who am i?

I agree it is too severe. But I maintain there is still a possibility that this thinking is going to change with more scientific knowledge in the future, but for now as with you, I wouldn't do it!