09-27-2005, 07:29 PM #1
Arrgh! this is fustrating (strength loss after cycle)
since my cycle ended, which was almost 7 weeks ago now, i've lost- a bit- of strength on some of my lifts- most notably the shoulder press and close grip bench press. But most of my lifts have suffered to an extent
Here were my maxes shortly after my first cycle:
Max bench 305x7
Max squat 280x12, straight down to the floor!
Max BB Row 230x6
Max preacher dumbell curl 80x6
Max barbell shoulder press 190x6
Max dumbell shoulder press 90x7
Max Close Grip Bench Press 255x5
Max Calf Raise 335x30
Max Deadlift (unsure) something like 420x5-6
And here are my maxes right now
Max bench 300x5 (lost 5 pounds and 2 reps)
Max squat 280x13 (This actually went up 1 rep)
Max BB Row 230x5 (lost 0 pounds & 1 rep)
Max preacher dumbell curl 80x6 (same, have not lost any str)
Max barbell shoulder press 180x4 (lost 10 pounds and 2 reps)
Max dumbell shoulder press 85x7 (lost 10 pounds and 0 reps)
Max Close Grip Bench Press 250x5 (lost 5 pounds and 0 reps)
Max Calf Raise 335x28 (lost 0 pounds and 2 reps)
Max Deadlift 410x5 (lost 10 pounds here)
This is rather fustrating- i went to train shoulders today and last week i could not lift the 90 pound dumbells (the same with the week before last) and the same today. What is fustrating is that after my cycle, i could do 90x7- and i can't do more than 85x7 today
Is there anything i can do between now and the 6 weeks before i start my next cycle, that can help my lifts somewhat? I'd like to get them back to where they were, before i start again. I have not lost much size at all, but losing strength, even if it is small can be very fustrating!!
I'm still working out as hard as possible, sleeping well, and eating well (3600 cals average) it seems i need to eat this much to maintain my weight.
09-27-2005, 07:32 PM #2
Are your lifts higher then before your cycle...... You can't keep it all.
09-27-2005, 07:32 PM #3
Now did your PCT go?
09-27-2005, 07:33 PM #4Originally Posted by JohnnyB
Still i am working out pretty intensely- but i just can't lift as much
09-27-2005, 07:35 PM #5Originally Posted by TheMudMan
Here were my stats, pre-cycle
Max bench 280x4
Max squat 300x6 but BAD FORM
recently started complete ROM 8 weeks ago
Max BB Row 205x6
Max preacher dumbell curl 65x5
Max barbell shoulder press 170x5
Max dumbell shoulder press 80x6
Max Close Grip Bench Press 230x5
Still, even though all these #s are up, it's just kind of depressing that i have lost a little bit of strength after i ended.
09-27-2005, 07:46 PM #6Originally Posted by ward065
09-27-2005, 07:53 PM #7Originally Posted by TheMudMan
I kind of feel like i did now pre cycle. Pre cycle, (Although i had old maxes) no matter how hard i worked i could not lift anymore weight. Changing diet did not matter. Changing routine did not matter..... I kind of have that same feeling now, i work out as hard as possible but still can't do as much.
I guess i can look at it on the bright side: Right now, i am halfway through before i start again.
Also on the bright side, my measurements are still up significantly from pre-cycle. (arms still about a whole inch bigger) and i have about 12 pounds more LBM
But you are correct, psychologically it is fustrating when you work out as hard as you can, and still cannot do as much no matter what
09-27-2005, 08:02 PM #8Originally Posted by ward065
09-27-2005, 08:25 PM #9Originally Posted by TheMudMan
i'm a bodybuilder not a powerlifter, but weight and reps are still important imo
09-27-2005, 08:33 PM #10Originally Posted by ward065
09-27-2005, 08:37 PM #11
I ended my last cycle single reppin 425 on bench, now several weeks later I stick at 395, but the thing is each time I cycle I get stronger lifts lose a little afterwards but gain it back quickly so I know within two months I will be right there again w/out the gear. It's like each cycle sets my natural ability higher, maybe muscle memory, but I think everyone loses a little post cycle.
09-27-2005, 08:40 PM #12Originally Posted by shortie
09-27-2005, 08:48 PM #13
You sound a little like me anyhow, I describe my lifting as confused BB/powerlifter. I want to get bigger but love to work on the heavy lifts. I just spent the last 6 months on the Westside BB method and got some great strength gains, but really got no bigger, too bad they can't go together a little better.
09-27-2005, 09:10 PM #14
for me, if the lifts are heavy and contain 6-14 reps, and if it goes to failure, size will come
i never max out on a lift- i know powerlifters do this- but i do not train for powerlifting. Plus, it can lead to an injury which is no good. When i train i want to force as much blood into the muscle as possible, optimally, using relatively heavy weights with moderate reps
09-28-2005, 03:03 AM #15Originally Posted by ward065
A common MISCONCEPTION is that producing a PUMP in the muscles is indicative of HYPERTROPHY--it is not. Fatigue and hypertrophy are two different things. For endurance training, we seek to FATIGUE the muscle, with high rep schemes that do indeed, produce massive PUMPS. But we are not working out for the PUMP--it is simply a benfit. We(as bodybuilders) work out for HYPERTROPHY--and for THAT, you need at least 6-8 reps of HEAVY HEAVY weight. Using a high-VOLUME routine(15 sets minimum) will yield a great pump as well.
6-8 reps....this is for MASS....(15 sets minimum per bodypart)
Last edited by Steroid Man; 09-28-2005 at 03:05 AM.
09-28-2005, 05:20 AM #16Originally Posted by Steroid Man
And when i train i train to failure always. I get a good pump, i can tell i am working the muscle(s) because i am alwaya sore the next day (what i trained the day before)
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