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    Question Need some help on an all oral cycle

    My buddy is going a cycle that looks something like this

    50mg Anavar ED wks 1-8
    50mg Winstrol ED wks 1-8
    50 mg EQ ED wks 1-8

    10 mg liquid nolva ED

    Im not familiar enough with all orals, and the shit he got has been made for him by a chemist buddy (ordered the gear from China)...basically the pills are just powder thats been capsulated.

    I'm a bit concerned about his HPTA due to the fact he has no actual test in his cycle but I wanna make sure I'm not steering him in the wrong direction. Any help or critiques based on similar cycles would be appreciated

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    be more concerned with his liver than his hpta.... is the EQ oral?? what is his reason behind this cycle?

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    oral only cycles arent the best idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Sane
    be more concerned with his liver than his hpta.... is the EQ oral?? what is his reason behind this cycle?
    He doesn't like Test due to the bloat, I would imagine his goals are to maintain muscle mass, gain strength, and become more solid without getting too much bigger.

    Im aware oral cycles only are not a good idea but I need helpful responses not preaching.

    Thanks

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    i didnt know eq came in an oral form

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    if he's concerned about bloat from test, tell him to shoot prop, much less water retention and he can also take an anti e to help with bloat even more. I'd be a bit more concerned w/ his cholesterol and liver values than his hpta too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    He doesn't like Test due to the bloat, I would imagine his goals are to maintain muscle mass, gain strength, and become more solid without getting too much bigger.

    Im aware oral cycles only are not a good idea but I need helpful responses not preaching.

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    I don't think I was preaching... you had mentioned that you were concerned with his HPTA, and I simply commented on being MORE concerned with his liver.... His goals seem to be quite reasonable with a simple compound like Var, which you can run alone without worrying about surpressing hpta AS much as 3 orals at once... Var will give him strength, maintainance, and solid physique...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    He doesn't like Test due to the bloat, I would imagine his goals are to maintain muscle mass, gain strength, and become more solid without getting too much bigger.

    Im aware oral cycles only are not a good idea but I need helpful responses not preaching.

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    not all test bloats...prop doesnt...if he doesnt want to get bigger and just maintian muscle, then he probablly doesnt want steroids ...no one is preaching, jus re-iterating a fact about oral only cycles...

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    he dont have to shoot the test at such a high amount he gains 20 lbs of muscle and bloat he could shoot a low dose HRT test with cycle you have posted above

    say 200-250mg EW and thats it...1 shot a week is nothing compared to low test levels.

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    I would definitely reccomend something different to your buddy, but the way I see it he won't listen, sounds like he's got his mind made up. So, 8weeks on Var and Winny shouldn't kill him, may mess with his liver values pretty drastically, but not horribly. To restart the HPTA just do a normal cycle PCT beginning 2 days after last ingestion.

    Also, never heard of EQ in oral form, anyone?

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    eq oral, nahh...never heard of it...but didn't he say it was being made by another friend....some chemist?

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    never heard of EQ oral...

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    yeah shortie i never seen an oral EQ, thats an injectable not an oral..
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    Well, I am thinking it ain't real, but I don't think the Winny/Var cycle will be that harsh. He'll just crash like hell and lose his gains fast, but it won't kill him IMO.

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    Test is test.....if you run a low dose of it you wont bloat......my friend only runs 200mg/wk and is huge hes a lifer though

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortie
    Well, I am thinking it ain't real, but I don't think the Winny/Var cycle will be that harsh. He'll just crash like hell and lose his gains fast, but it won't kill him IMO.
    that' s why I think Var only would be the smartest alternative... no need to run both... increase the dose of the Var, and get the most out of it.

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    Also on the cycle i would drop the winny just run var and eq if he really doesnt want test in there

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    If he's going to take an all oral cycle with that many compounds, he should first have his liver checked out pre-cycle. It should also be checked during and after his cycle as well.

    Is he taking any other medicine?

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    There is an oral version of EQ, like the boldenone acetate tabs that BD is launching. Still, 200mg per day is the mininum dosage. 50mg won't do shit.

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    Real awesome responses here guys thx for all your input. He is not running any other meds, and yes the EQ was made for him by a chemist. Can you guys suggest any legal supps to help aid him in all the adverse affects this cycle will bring?

    I was thinking Tyler's Liver Detox to help his liver, anything else?

    p.s. Wasn't accusing everyone of preaching, only the guy who posted "It's not a good idea" and nothing else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    Real awesome responses here guys thx for all your input. He is not running any other meds, and yes the EQ was made for him by a chemist. Can you guys suggest any legal supps to help aid him in all the adverse affects this cycle will bring?

    I was thinking Tyler's Liver Detox to help his liver, anything else?

    p.s. Wasn't accusing everyone of preaching, only the guy who posted "It's not a good idea" and nothing else
    I wrote it wasnt a good idea, then i posted again with a little more advice. I guess you missed that.

    Tylers is good for the liver, so is Liv 52, milk thistle, and R-ALA. All those orals will throw his cholesterol values out of whack so he needs to take something to help such as niacin, garlic, CoQ10, Policosinal, etc. Cranberry extract for kidneys might be a good idea too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interficium
    There is an oral version of EQ, like the boldenone acetate tabs that BD is launching. Still, 200mg per day is the mininum dosage. 50mg won't do shit.
    There is a very good UGL that just came out with an oral Eq too. There is only about a 15% absorption rate with this form. So a 200mg cap only gets about 30mg absorped/cap. Just to give you an idea of how much you should take

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    He doesn't like Test due to the bloat
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    You should call him on that!
    Avoiding Test bloat is far too easy, for this to be an excuse.

    Not to but,
    Make sure he uses a lot of liver protector at 150 Oral only mgs ED.
    2,000,000 Grams of Milk Thistle ED
    7,000 gms of Liv52 ED
    9,000 gms of Tylers ED
    boat load of R-ALA
    field of garlic

    Because he's obliterating the 1gm oral guideline.

    M.
    Last edited by magic32; 09-30-2005 at 10:13 AM. Reason: left something out

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32
    You should call him on that!
    Avoiding Test bloat is far too easy, for this to be an excuse.

    Because he's obliterating the 1gm oral guideline.

    M.

    I agree about the test part too. Its easy to control bloat. Sounds like he just doesnt want to inject???

    Technically he is not going over the 1gm oral guide b/c the oral Eq is NOT at 17aa compound unlike winny and var

    Personally, i think there are better cycles he could run to get him the results he wants

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhorn814
    There is a very good UGL that just came out with an oral Eq too. There is only about a 15% absorption rate with this form. So a 200mg cap only gets about 30mg absorped/cap. Just to give you an idea of how much you should take
    Yeah, you're right he's only at 1gm.

    Did you find that UGL, I'm interested in reading it.

    M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32
    Yeah, you're right he's only at 1gm.

    Did you find that UGL, I'm interested in reading it.

    M.
    You're "interested in reading" an Under Ground Lab ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32
    You should call him on that!
    Avoiding Test bloat is far too easy, for this to be an excuse.

    Not to but,
    Make sure he uses a lot of liver protector at 150 Oral only mgs ED.
    2,000,000 Grams of Milk Thistle ED
    7,000 gms of Liv52 ED
    9,000 gms of Tylers ED
    boat load of R-ALA
    field of garlic

    Because he's obliterating the 1gm oral guideline.

    M.

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    Why do we keep getting "only oral cycle" questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanecrazy
    Why do we keep getting "only oral cycle" questions?
    notice they are always for peoples "friends" too, never for themselves!

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