First and foremost i don't aim to say that using test in a very first cycle is crap, but just to prove that only Dbol cycle can work very well too. I won't quote his name, just he's my best friend and partner, been training for 15 years, 5'9", 190Lbs shredded, and been on a only Dbol cycle, never been of these past 2 years.....just tell me whatcha think, not bad?! :wg: