between cycles.....????

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10-03-2005, 04:45 PM
diaryman

between cycles.....????

hi guys....
if i want take 2 cycles....

fist cycle:
1.deca.
2.sustanon.
second cycle:
1.winstrol
2.primo

can i take clomid therpy between cycles or just end the cycles...?????

thanxxxxx....
10-03-2005, 05:12 PM
TRE

time on = time off and yes run clomid
Question though, why dont you just run them all together
10-03-2005, 05:15 PM
shortie

If I understand your question, yes you can run clomid therapy independant of PCT, i.e. cycle-pct-time off-clomid cycle-time off-next cycle.
10-03-2005, 05:16 PM
shortie

Where is your test in cycle 2? I believe all cycles need test bro....
10-03-2005, 05:18 PM
shortie

And why sust/deca, I usually like to run similar length esters together, like e and deca or pro and tren a, keeps the shooting straight.
10-03-2005, 05:20 PM
TRE

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortie

And why sust/deca, I usually like to run similar length esters together, like e and deca or pro and tren a, keeps the shooting straight.

Actually they are similar esters and test e and deca are not similar. Cyp and deca are though
10-03-2005, 05:30 PM
shortie

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRE

Actually they are similar esters and test e and deca are not similar. Cyp and deca are though

You are right, test prop and phenyl prop are nearly identical to Deca-I don't know where the fuck my head was! :bs:
10-03-2005, 05:35 PM
shortie

Oddly enough Hooker lists the active life of cyp at 15-16 days Test E at 15 days and deca at 15 days. This seems good enough to say that they all have equal half-lives and therefore similar injection frequency. Or is Hooker all wet on this one?
10-03-2005, 05:37 PM
TRE

Well lets look at this. Sustanon carries 4 esters of test proprionate, phenylproprionate, isocaproate, and decanoate.

The decanoate last in the system arount 17-21 days, the same as Deca Durabolin.

So in conclusion they are similar in ester

Test Enanthanate last in the system around 10-14 days, hence different esters.
10-03-2005, 05:40 PM
shortie

Well if we look at it that way it should be noted that over 50% of sust is in the form of an ester that lasts less than 10 days, so therefore you must inject to the frequency of the shortest acting ester prop-meaning ed/ or eod injects to avoid screwy blood levels. Not like deca or E or Cyp that can all be injected bi-weekly. Hence runnig gear of similar half lives.
10-03-2005, 05:43 PM
TRE

This is fun, and im not trying to be mean, I like a good debate. Sure the prop esters need to be taken eod but you also shouldnt start pct for 3 weeks because the 100mg of deconate need to filter out. Same with deca, you need to wait 3 weeks before pct.
10-03-2005, 05:45 PM
TRE

also deca is a once a week inject were as test enth is twice a week so you could say they have different esters. Plus when running pct you take test enth one week longer then deca
10-03-2005, 05:46 PM
shortie

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRE

This is fun, and im not trying to be mean, I like a good debate. Sure the prop esters need to be taken eod but you also shouldnt start pct for 3 weeks because the 100mg of deconate need to filter out. Same with deca, you need to wait 3 weeks before pct.

Agreed, def need to wait longer for PCT. That is one of many reasons, I think Sust in not as effective a test as E, or cyp, or prop, and that is why I always run the test e 2 weeks longe than my deca-although technically 1 wk extra should be enough, I like to be sure.
10-03-2005, 05:50 PM
TRE

Owe hell yeah I would choose prop, enth or cyp over sust, Im in total agreement there. Sust is more expensive, and throws the blood levels off if taken incorrectly. If your shooting eod why just go with prop.