so whats the deal with first cycles

some of you guys say to do test only other say its fine to kick start with dbol.

whats the deal is it just up to whos using it?

Seems like alot of guys on here did more then 1 compound as a first.

Is it like a huge mistake to use dbol and test e together for the first time?

were you asking a question?

yeah usually on a first cycle you'll wanna stick to one compound. however dbol for a kick start is common. if that was your question????

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Originally Posted by Narkissos

were you asking a question?

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Originally Posted by brewski053

some of you guys say to do test only other say its fine to kick start with dbol.

whats the deal is it just up to whos using it?

Seems like alot of guys on here did more then 1 compound as a first.

Is it like a huge mistake to use dbol and test e together for the first time?

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it's fine to use dbol in a first......... Some guys don't want to wait for the 4 or 5 weeks to start feeling the effects of the long ester.

One of the reasons Dbol is advised against is because it can cause bloat and some strength gains may be lost after discontinuation. Most don't have a problem with this, because gains are then resumed once Test E picks up and starts building, but keep in mind the bloat. Ultimately, it's your choice and your money. Dbol can be felt with in 2-3 hours, so use it a few hours before the gym for some AAS percursor effects. Once again, gains can/will be lost, so keep in mind your not going to feel like superman 12 hours after a Dbol "high". It all comes down to pros vs cons. Strength and drive vs bloat and possible lost gains due to an abrupt halt in supplementation.

In the end, it's your call, but whatever you chose, best of luck and make sure that diet and training are perfect.

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One of the reasons Dbol is advised against is because it can cause bloat and some strength gains may be lost after discontinuation. Most don't have a problem with this, because gains are then resumed once Test E picks up and starts building, but keep in mind the bloat. Ultimately, it's your choice and your money. Dbol can be felt with in 2-3 hours, so use it a few hours before the gym for some AAS percursor effects. Once again, gains can/will be lost, so keep in mind your not going to feel like superman 12 hours after a Dbol "high". It all comes down to pros vs cons. Strength and drive vs bloat and possible lost gains due to an abrupt halt in supplementation.

In the end, it's your call, but whatever you chose, best of luck and make sure that diet and training are perfect.

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wont taking nolva throughout help alittle with the bloat?

Nolva will not help with bloat.......... with aromatizing AAS nolva only keeps estrogen from binding to the ER because it has already bind to that site. An AI like letro or l-dex would help with the bloat.

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Nolva will not help with bloat.......... with aromatizing AAS nolva only keeps estrogen from binding to the ER because it has already bind to that site. An AI like letro or l-dex would help with the bloat.

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ya i still havent decisided if taking nolva throughout is the way to go or not

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ya i still havent decisided if taking nolva throughout is the way to go or not

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well its easier to prevent than to treat

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Originally Posted by testosterona

well its easier to prevent than to treat

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You will be helping prevent gyno by using an AI or SERM alone, or by using both a SERM and AI together.

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You will be helping prevent gyno by using an AI or SERM alone, or by using both a SERM and AI together.

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AI SERM???

Type those words in the search engine. Wa Laa.

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Type those words in the search engine. Wa Laa.

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thats to easy

If we keep spoon feeding you, how will you ever learn. Do some research.