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Is it okay for me to start a new cycle with a small lump and some puffiness from a previous cycle? This thing is not going away so is it okay to go ahead and do another cycle while doing nolva 10mg ED. I dont mind this little thing on the nipple I just dont want it to get bigger.
get rid of it first!!!!!
How? Had it for 3-4 months and nolva at 80mg ED didnt do nothing. Should I get letro instead? What should I get? Its a very small case though but still gyno nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by pyschomab
I have just started a new cycle and have glandular gyno on one side.
to keep aesthetics, the PS left a small amount of the gland in place (to prevent the 'caved in nipple' effect) which is common practice.
By starting a new cycle after gyno surgery, there is every risk it could return unless all of the receptor gland is removed (not advised).
By getting rid of your gyno and starting another cycle, you would in effect be 'p*ssing in the wind'.
I would suggest starting your cycle and just be as vigilant with your anti E's and PCT as possible to keep its size down and when you get to the size/ shape you require - then look to have it removed. Otherwise is could prove to be an expensive exercise !
Given my experience of having 3 gyno operations and a dermo fat skin graft to fill the mess left by a botched operation by a GS, I would like to think I know what I am talking about.
Bodytalk :wg:
I'm not to the point of needing an operation, I think some supps might help.
Try letro, it has been proven to remove existing gyno. If that doesn't clear it then surgery is the only option, and if it is not that severe I would recommend just going ahead with your cycle but having enough nolva handy to run 20mg ed throughout the cycle.
Its a myth that anything other than surgery will reverse and glandular gynecomastia !!!
If someone says they have developed true gyno and reversed it, with anti e's or PCT they are lying.
Beleive me, I know !
Really, someone should tell Hooker his gyno in't gone!From Hooker's Letro profile;Quote:
Originally Posted by BodyTalk
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It may reduce/eliminate/reverse existing gynocomastia!
In a study conducted on mice (*no, I know it’s not perfect), gyno-like-changes in the mammary gland were totally destroyed ! Here’s a direct quote from that study:
“Our results also indicate aromatase overexpression-induced changes in mammary glands can be abrogated [destroyed] with very low concentrations of the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole.”(7)
In addition, I’ve used Letro to get rid of my own gyno, as has a friend of mine, and we both used it at a dose of 2.5mgs/day, tapering down to .25mgs/day, and then finally off….the gyno never returned in both our cases.
Yep, that's what the Dr. told me also. I'm using anti e now just to keep anymore growth from taking place. I'm not at the point of having surgery but it wouldn't take much more and I would have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodyTalk
Only in my case it happened without me taking steroids. My natural level of testosterone fell to just 86 on the scale that supposed to be between about 250 to 1000 or there abouts.
Now I have to take 200 mg of Testosterone Cyp. injections per week for the rest of my life.
If I had natural levels of testosterone to return after I had a scare from doing a cycle I'd not take a chance on screwing my natural production up again no matter how much I wanted to build muscle because it's a pain in the ass (literally) to have to take these injections forever.
Good post bro. I am having gyno surgery in the near future. I have suffered from gyno since my early teens. I have nearly finshed my first cycle which was Test E and EQ. The letro i ran during the cycle kept the gyno under control but as my pectoral muscles have grown, it obviously has become more noticable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodyTalk
Where did you have your surgery done? Why did you have 3?
Will gyno surgery be couvered by insurance? I'm buying letro anyways. Should I also get injectable B12?
great post. getting it removed would be risky before running aas, unless the entire gland has been removed.... but having this done, like bodytalk mentioned, can create the "caved in" look that many try and avoid. Not worth it IMO. Just run your cycle with the proper pct precautions, when your desired weight (we are never satisfied, by the way :wg: ) has been achieved, get the surgury... lipo, and gland REDUCTION.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodyTalk
I have been through enough gyne surgery to last me a life time !
At the age of 16 I developed it in one side due to puberty, not knowing what it was I just wanted it removed and had it done by a General surgeon on the NHS.
As you can imagine, surgery for these guys is a numbers game and he just hacked and slashed away at me, removing the gyne, but also pretty much all of the receptor gland with it. At the time, I was just glad to get rid of it, but as it healed and my body grew, the nipple began to cave.
I did juice from the age of 20 - 22 and developed AS related gyne in the other side around for years ago. Being wise to what it was and knowing that I wasn't going to be just another number on a statistic form, I looked into Plastic surgeons who had carried out the procedure before.
At my first consultation, I told him I wanted the gyne removed from one side and the mess from the other fixed. It was quite a serious operation and I had both sides dealt with in one sitting. He performed the glandular removal by usual method of cutting half of the nipple open and then removing piece by piece, but leaving a small amount in order to avoid the 'caved in look'.
for the other side that needed reconstructing, he took a dermo fat skin graft from my groin and attached inside the defected chest. The fat (if surgery is successful) then makes a connection and blood vessels are naturally created to ensure it doesn't go hard and die.
I had this carried out a second time, taking a second graft from the other side of my groin to ensure maximum results. Luckily, most of the fat survived and my nipple on that side is more pronounced and doesn't cave. Obviously it is still noticeable to me, but that is more psychological than anything.
If anyone wants any advice just ask or PM me, I know what a heartache it can be and i can give you any reassurance, I will be glad to do so.
I am now on my first course since the last op and all is going well, the gyne can only return on the one side as the other has no remaining receptor for the estrogen to aromatise.
Bodytalk
Great post Bodytalk.
One thing i don't get is why you had a "caved in" look. If the surgeon is good, then why should it go like this? I have seen plenty of pictures of gyno surgery by a plastic surgeon in America and all his work is spot on. I won't say his name but he does have his own website which is very popular.
I plan to pay for mine and have it done privately through Bupa. Do you think because i am paying for it privately they will do a better job? I hope so because am not forking out £4,000 for a caved in chest! :frown: All the surgeons are members of BAPS (British Association of Plastic Surgeons)
I got the caved in look from the first op that was botched by a general surgeon on the NHS. The plastic surgeon did the second op and all the repair work.
Moral of this story, dont have gyno surgery by a General Surgeon.......
Interesting. Thanks bro. The surgeon i am considering seeing is specialised in breast surgery/reconstruction, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodyTalk